Ed Schultz Message Board > I knew it! Maxxi fell and bumped his head

DrX

Sep 7 2008, 10:09 PM

Funny what you find when looking at old threads on the ESSMB.

I always knew Maxxi's conversion to a full blown right-winger was odd.
Here are some posts of the "good" ole Maxxi before he fell and bumped his head.

http://edschultz.invisionzone.com/index.ph...st&p=327783

QUOTE(Maxx61 @ Oct 31 2006, 04:20 PM)

...and another thing. I'm sick and tired of chickenhawk Hewlett-Patton keyboard commandos thumping their chest at Democrats who God forbid...actually believe supporting the troops goes beyond a yellow "support the troops" car magnet, made in China and purchased at Wal-Mart. For most of these folks like Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, the only time they've ever marched in "double time" was when they found themselves walking past an armed forces recruiting station.
War is a nasty thing...a terribly nasty experience that will forever change you. Until you've fired a gun at another human being, it's almost useless to explain to them the guilt you might take with you for the rest of your life. After a few months of it, you get to the point where the guilt lessons because your heart can no longer process the depravity of it all.
And yet, back home in the states, we have these war-mongering nitwits who think sending kids fresh out of high school to die in an easter egg hunt for WMD's is a noble cause.
Try as they might, there is no conservative on the face of the planet that could ever convince me nearly 3,000 dead soldiers, returned home in flag-draped caskets, could ever be worth one captured Iraqi dictator.

http://edschultz.invisionzone.com/index.ph...st&p=327791

QUOTE(Maxx61 @ Oct 31 2006, 04:23 PM)

If saving the lives of thousands is a motivating factor to "make a name for himself," then I'm sure he'll plead guilty and do so with pride. Would you rather have someone KILL thousands to make a name for themselves? Isn't that the reason we're in Iraq? Ooops...I forgot....that's reason #4. The first three were assorted takes on "WMD's" that if they had them at all, Reagan sold 'em to him.

http://edschultz.invisionzone.com/index.ph...st&p=327810

QUOTE(Maxx61 @ Oct 31 2006, 04:46 PM)

I've been listening to Ed since he first debuted down here in south Florida...so that's about two years now. I rarely am home this time of day but found myself near the computer this afternoon and wanted to chime in. I listen to Ed daily but usually spend most of my time at Arianna's site if I have any computer time at all. I come across as a fire-breathing liberal because that's what I am....and damn proud of it.
The party needs less massaging of the messages and more of this.

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A.HusseinLaverdure

Sep 7 2008, 10:11 PM

QUOTE(DrX @ Sep 7 2008, 11:09 PM)

Funny what you find when looking at old threads on the ESSMB.

I always knew Maxxi's conversion to a full blown right-winger was odd.
Here are some posts of the "good" ole Maxxi before he fell and bumped his head.

http://edschultz.invisionzone.com/index.ph...st&p=327783
http://edschultz.invisionzone.com/index.ph...st&p=327791
http://edschultz.invisionzone.com/index.ph...st&p=327810

Wow. Is this for real?

cqsallie Hussein

Sep 8 2008, 02:02 AM

QUOTE(A.HusseinLaverdure @ Sep 7 2008, 11:11 PM)

Wow. Is this for real?

This is remarkable! Maybe Maxx didn't fall down and bump his head. Maybe somebody stole his identity!!! So, who's pretending to be Maxx?
Pretty disturbing, when you think about it....
Sallie

jlee562

Sep 8 2008, 02:18 AM

As much as I enjoy witnessing Maxx's hypocrisy, this does strike me as a call out thread, which are against board rules.

tritumi

Sep 8 2008, 02:25 AM

it is worth asking anyone who displays a radical shift of position what process or event they went through to track that course of change.

it is rare that people have a significant change of heart or mind, don't you think?

BluesOutbackHusssein

Sep 8 2008, 04:30 AM

One must beware the cracks in the sidewalk & the Epiphany-Mongers.

Maxx61

Sep 8 2008, 07:21 AM

As I've been writing for months now, countering the "right wing troll" proclaimations. I am like the right's version of Arianna. Yes, I used to be a full blown Democrat; having been registered as such since 1979. I will write this one more time. I intend to vote Democrat down the line in state/local elections but simply do not find Obama qualified to be President and thus, he will not get my vote.

I do not vote on idealogy lines for President. I never have. I vote for the candidate that I believe will best LEAD the country, not legislate it. That work is for local, state, House and Senate. I marched in Vermont AGAINST the Iraq invasion (one of the worst political blunders in our nations history) but feel as Colin Powell does. Once broken, the pottery is ours. I am pro-choice, pro civil-unions but don't have a problem with gay marriage and in fact, in one of those online "where are you politically" tests, I scored nearly a perfect "centrist" position.

I know many in here will find it strange that someone can vote for Democrats and Republicans at the same time but that's why I registered Independent. BOTH parties have their ills. I show loyalty to individuals, not parties. My epiphany occurred earlier this year when I realized that in a desperate race to win, a Democrat was willing to paint another a racist (Obama campaign morphing Bill Clinton's remarks as an indictment against an African-American running for President). I think if anyone has followed me closely, you'll find my leanings away from the party began at that juncture. If Democrats were so willing to eat their own, I no longer had any reason to support such hypocrisies and behavior.

Throwing "one of your own," a two-term Democratic President, under the bus in order to win deserves my indifference, not my support. FWIW, had Clinton won the nomination, I would have voted for her and as pontificated ad naseum down the hall at HuffPo, my original ticket choice was Gore/Feingold and had been for years.

If Obama loses and the Democrats gain significant majorities in both House and Senate, I will be very happy indeed and if McCain wins and republicans prevent the Democrats from any significant gains in Washington, I will be unsatisfied at the result. Government works best when checks and balances exist.

jpf22467

Sep 8 2008, 07:28 AM

QUOTE(Maxx61 @ Sep 8 2008, 09:21 AM)

As I've been writing for months now, countering the "right wing troll" proclaimations. I am like the right's version of Arianna. Yes, I used to be a full blown Democrat; having been registered as such since 1979. I will write this one more time. I intend to vote Democrat down the line in state/local elections but simply do not find Obama qualified to be President and thus, he will not get my vote.

I do not vote on idealogy lines for President. I never have. I vote for the candidate that I believe will best LEAD the country, not legislate it. That work is for local, state, House and Senate. I know many in here will find it strange that someone can vote for Democrats and Republicans at the same time but that's why I registered Independent. BOTH parties have their ills. I show loyalty to individuals, not parties. My epiphany occurred earlier this year when I realized that in a desperate race to win, a Democrat was willing to paint another a racist (Obama campaign morphing Bill Clinton's remarks as an indictment against an African-American running for President). I think if anyone has followed me closely, you'll find my leanings away from the party began at that juncture. If Democrats were so willing to eat their own, I no longer had any reason to support such hypocrisies and behavior.

Throwing "one of your own," a two-term Democratic President, under the bus in order to win deserves my indifference, not my support. FWIW, had Clinton won the nomination, I would have voted for her and as pontificated ad naseum down the hall at HuffPo, my original ticket choice was Gore/Feingold and had been for years.

If Obama loses and the Democrats gain significant majorities in both House and Senate, I will be very happy indeed.

I dont think that is what they wanted to hear. Watch for some on here to call you racist for calling obama racist.

DrX

Sep 8 2008, 07:56 AM

QUOTE(Maxx61 @ Sep 8 2008, 09:21 AM)

My epiphany occurred earlier this year when I realized that in a desperate race to win, a Democrat was willing to paint another a racist (Obama campaign morphing Bill Clinton's remarks as an indictment against an African-American running for President).

Maxx,

I believe Obama is innocent of this charge. People in the media and those who managed to get in front of a TV camera or mic might have echoed these sentiments, but I do not recall Obama making any of these charges.

DrX

Sep 8 2008, 08:13 AM

QUOTE(jlee562 @ Sep 8 2008, 04:18 AM)

As much as I enjoy witnessing Maxx's hypocrisy, this does strike me as a call out thread,

No it's not.

QUOTE

Call Out Threads:

You understand and agree that this board is for civil discussions, not brawling and flaming (insulting or inciting) other guests. Uncivil language is a form of abuse and this board does not allow abuse of guests. Starting a topic for the purposes of picking a fight with another guest is not allowed. You agree that such posting can result in actions such as deleting the topic, locking the topic, and banishment from the board.

Not trying to pick a fight. tritumi summed it up nicely.

See tritumi's response

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it is worth asking anyone who displays a radical shift of position what process or event they went through to track that course of change.

it is rare that people have a significant change of heart or mind, don't you think?

Hughie

Sep 8 2008, 09:02 AM

QUOTE(DrX @ Sep 8 2008, 09:56 AM)

Maxx,

I believe Obama is innocent of this charge. People in the media and those who managed to get in front of a TV camera or mic might have echoed these sentiments, but I do not recall Obama making any of these charges.

Lets assume you are correct about the media. Did Obama sit back and do nothing as the charges came out or did he defend Clinton?

Plunderer

Sep 8 2008, 09:05 AM

Call out thread.

Dumped.

DO NOT do this again, or you risk suspension.

Regards,

-P

Jailbush

Sep 8 2008, 04:05 PM

QUOTE

(Maxx61 @ Oct 31 2006, 04:20 PM) *

...and another thing. I'm sick and tired of chickenhawk Hewlett-Patton keyboard commandos thumping their chest at Democrats who God forbid...actually believe supporting the troops goes beyond a yellow "support the troops" car magnet, made in China and purchased at Wal-Mart. For most of these folks like Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, the only time they've ever marched in "double time" was when they found themselves walking past an armed forces recruiting station.
War is a nasty thing...a terribly nasty experience that will forever change you. Until you've fired a gun at another human being, it's almost useless to explain to them the guilt you might take with you for the rest of your life. After a few months of it, you get to the point where the guilt lessons because your heart can no longer process the depravity of it all.
And yet, back home in the states, we have these war-mongering nitwits who think sending kids fresh out of high school to die in an easter egg hunt for WMD's is a noble cause.
Try as they might, there is no conservative on the face of the planet that could ever convince me nearly 3,000 dead soldiers, returned home in flag-draped caskets, could ever be worth one captured Iraqi dictator.

Out of extreme curiosity, I wish to ask this of you if I may. Given your views in 2006 along with your views today, how is it you are able to support the same kind of warmongering conditions that existed in 2006 that still exists today under both Bush and McCain? I'm not here to ask about how you're voting. I'm not here to bash you. Nothing will usually change one's mind about how they'll vote. I'm really and truly trying to understand how you can be with such solid logic in 2006 and completely out to lunch in 2008 when it comes to wars, warmongers and the lies that promotes them. I would have posted to the old original thread today, but that wouldn't make much sense after almost 2 years.

In summary, how is it you had such a good read about the Conservative warmongers in 2006 only to be totally opposite in your views today? Thanks for whatever you can explain about this.

tritumi

Sep 8 2008, 04:07 PM

i do stand by my earlier question, however. it is indeed rare for anyone to have a major change of heart. such change may be for the best or its opposite. it is certainly legitimate to ask how, with the evidence before us, such a change of heart took place. we may indeed learn something useful from knowing of such transformations and that knowledge may even help us on our own road.

however, the thread as framed, is unbalanced and starts that inquiry on the wrong foot.

better stick to insulting the moose eater, can't go wrong there.

Prairie Mermaid

Sep 8 2008, 04:14 PM

QUOTE(DrX @ Sep 7 2008, 11:09 PM)

Funny what you find when looking at old threads on the ESSMB.

I always knew Maxxi's conversion to a full blown right-winger was odd.
Here are some posts of the "good" ole Maxxi before he fell and bumped his head.

http://edschultz.invisionzone.com/index.ph...st&p=327783
http://edschultz.invisionzone.com/index.ph...st&p=327791
http://edschultz.invisionzone.com/index.ph...st&p=327810

We need to ask the "bad Rightwing Maxx" who he is and what has he done with the "good Liberal Maxx"!

Really...

Prairie Mermaid

Sep 8 2008, 04:21 PM

QUOTE(DrX @ Sep 8 2008, 08:56 AM)

Maxx,

I believe Obama is innocent of this charge. People in the media and those who managed to get in front of a TV camera or mic might have echoed these sentiments, but I do not recall Obama making any of these charges.

Damn straight he was innocent of that charge! He never said those things nor interpreted Clinton's stupid remark as racist and neither did a lot of his supporters -- like me! I don't know how that interpretation got "out there", but I'd blame the stupid, self-serving media before I'd blame Obama, who tried successfully to stay honest and above the fray (most of which was created by Clinton and her supporters). IMO, Maxx and other Clintonistas just needed an excuse for hating Obama, a black man who *gasp* garnered the black vote...

Maxx61

Sep 8 2008, 10:44 PM

QUOTE(Prairie Hussein Mermaid @ Sep 8 2008, 04:21 PM)

Damn straight he was innocent of that charge!

Note I said the "Obama campaign" in my thread. While Barack was obviously too smart to fan the flames himself, he did not put the brakes on that mung until long after the damage had been done so I hold him accountable for that and nobody will change my mind.

As for my position on Iraq it parallels Colin Powell's position now. Going into Iraq was a horrible mistake (my .02 from the beginning) and had the surge not been the success it has, along with Iraqis themselves finally realizing Al-Qaeda was destroying their country, I probably would be echoing many in here that we should just get the hell out of there. However, I receive e-mails from active duty friends of mine who are close to this operation who tell me stories you won't hear in the evening news. There ARE success' over there and enough to justify our continued presence. I come from a family of teachers and I liken this operation to those times when teachers refuse to give up on students because they know that breakthru is ever so close. It's hard to miss something you've never tasted. Once the Iraqis got their taste of "freedom," even in their own terms, it's difficult to make the case to leave now and let it slip from their grasp.
Also...I watched a documentary on the war from a medical perspective and I came away from it thinking that the sacrifice of those sent home in caskets must have been for something greater than themselves. When Iraqis are now taking over provinces and finally beginning to meet the goals our Generals have set, that tells me that they DO want this to work and that perhaps in 30 years, the children of that country today can look an American dead in the eye as adults and say, "thank you for not leaving us."

Why do we stay? Because damn it, we owe the military dead something more than regret.

tritumi

Sep 8 2008, 10:54 PM

there are shades of kitchens' conversion in your comments. but your last line spoils it. the logic of sunk costs vs new costs is a reality against which this notion of killing more so the dead are not dishonored lacks a certain balance.

Plunderer

Sep 8 2008, 10:55 PM

QUOTE(Maxx61 @ Sep 9 2008, 12:44 AM)

Note I said the "Obama campaign" in my thread. While Barack was obviously too smart to fan the flames himself, he did not put the brakes on that mung until long after the damage had been done so I hold him accountable for that and nobody will change my mind.

As for my position on Iraq it parallels Colin Powell's position now. Going into Iraq was a horrible mistake (my .02 from the beginning) and had the surge not been the success it has, along with Iraqis themselves finally realizing Al-Qaeda was destroying their country, I probably would be echoing many in here that we should just get the hell out of there. However, I receive e-mails from active duty friends of mine who are close to this operation who tell me stories you won't hear in the evening news. There ARE success' over there and enough to justify our continued presence. I come from a family of teachers and I liken this operation to those times when teachers refuse to give up on students because they know that breakthru is ever so close. It's hard to miss something you've never tasted. Once the Iraqis got their taste of "freedom," even in their own terms, it's difficult to make the case to leave now and let it slip from their grasp.
Also...I watched a documentary on the war from a medical perspective and I came away from it thinking that the sacrifice of those sent home in caskets must have been for something greater than themselves. When Iraqis are now taking over provinces and finally beginning to meet the goals our Generals have set, that tells me that they DO want this to work and that perhaps in 30 years, the children of that country today can look an American dead in the eye as adults and say, "thank you for not leaving us."

Why do we stay? Because damn it, we owe the military dead something more than regret.

You have every right to request that this thread be closed (even if it's in the Dumpster).

If so, please send it via PM, so that I know your intentions.

I really don't like call-out threads, no matter who it's aimed at.

Best,

-P

(P.S. Before the vigilantes jump in, NOBODY reported this; this is all me.)

Maxx61

Sep 9 2008, 08:55 AM

QUOTE(tritumi @ Sep 8 2008, 10:54 PM)

there are shades of kitchens' conversion in your comments. but your last line spoils it. the logic of sunk costs vs new costs is a reality against which this notion of killing more so the dead are not dishonored lacks a certain balance.

Agreed...if we were actually losing in Iraq but we are not. Iraq started out as a success, became a Vietnam for 2-3 years but it HAS changed. I think intellectually honest Democrats would acknowledge this. If there is light at the end of tunnel, let's move forward and see what's on the other end. I realize this is going to sound inhumane but from a military perspective, the loss of life in Iraq has been rather low compared to other conflicts/wars/invasions, etc. our country has been involved in.

Was it worth flag-draped caskets to take out one dictator? no. Will those sacrifices be worth it if democracy, however fragile, is established next door to Iran? Yes. I believe they will be and I salute such sacrifice our soldiers have made for the freedom of others.

On a non-related note, I have no problems Plunderer with the topic but thanks for the oversight. I think my early, aggressive postings when first becoming a member here, obviously quite left-leaning, certainly must surprise folks when compared to this year's musings. Arianna changed...Dennis Miller changed....sometimes, it only takes one or two situations or experiences to completely reposition oneself. For me, those conditions arose earlier this year. I did not become a republican and I still find myself in agreement with Democrats probably 65-75% of the time but I truly believe McCain is the right man at the right time and that's why I am supporting the man and not the party. I know EXACTLY what Joe Lieberman is thinking right now and that probably explains why I am as hated as Joe....lol at least in this neck of cyber space.

Ely Hussein

Sep 9 2008, 10:40 AM

QUOTE(Maxx61 @ Sep 9 2008, 10:55 AM)

Agreed...if we were actually losing in Iraq but we are not. Iraq started out as a success, became a Vietnam for 2-3 years but it HAS changed. I think intellectually honest Democrats would acknowledge this. If there is light at the end of tunnel, let's move forward and see what's on the other end. I realize this is going to sound inhumane but from a military perspective, the loss of life in Iraq has been rather low compared to other conflicts/wars/invasions, etc. our country has been involved in.

Was it worth flag-draped caskets to take out one dictator? no. Will those sacrifices be worth it if democracy, however fragile, is established next door to Iran? Yes. I believe they will be and I salute such sacrifice our soldiers have made for the freedom of others.
On a non-related note, I have no problems Plunderer with the topic but thanks for the oversight. I think my early, aggressive postings when first becoming a member here, obviously quite left-leaning, certainly must surprise folks when compared to this year's musings. Arianna changed...Dennis Miller changed....sometimes, it only takes one or two situations or experiences to completely reposition oneself. For me, those conditions arose earlier this year. I did not become a republican and I still find myself in agreement with Democrats probably 65-75% of the time but I truly believe McCain is the right man at the right time and that's why I am supporting the man and not the party. I know EXACTLY what Joe Lieberman is thinking right now and that probably explains why I am as hated as Joe....lol at least in this neck of cyber space.

Thanks for the comedy

Izzzatso

Sep 10 2008, 04:52 AM

QUOTE(Maxx61 @ Sep 9 2008, 07:55 AM)

Agreed...if we were actually losing in Iraq but we are not. Iraq started out as a success, became a Vietnam for 2-3 years but it HAS changed. I think intellectually honest Democrats would acknowledge this. If there is light at the end of tunnel, let's move forward and see what's on the other end. I realize this is going to sound inhumane but from a military perspective, the loss of life in Iraq has been rather low compared to other conflicts/wars/invasions, etc. our country has been involved in.

Was it worth flag-draped caskets to take out one dictator? no. Will those sacrifices be worth it if democracy, however fragile, is established next door to Iran? Yes. I believe they will be and I salute such sacrifice our soldiers have made for the freedom of others.
On a non-related note, I have no problems Plunderer with the topic but thanks for the oversight. I think my early, aggressive postings when first becoming a member here, obviously quite left-leaning, certainly must surprise folks when compared to this year's musings. Arianna changed...Dennis Miller changed....sometimes, it only takes one or two situations or experiences to completely reposition oneself. For me, those conditions arose earlier this year. I did not become a republican and I still find myself in agreement with Democrats probably 65-75% of the time but I truly believe McCain is the right man at the right time and that's why I am supporting the man and not the party. I know EXACTLY what Joe Lieberman is thinking right now and that probably explains why I am as hated as Joe....lol at least in this neck of cyber space.

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Maxx61

Sep 10 2008, 06:39 AM

Your last statement in your response above warrants a warning but that's not for me to decide. Dr. X had a valid interest in my change of heart and you're attempting to hijack his thread. What on earth does Palin have to do with this conversation?

Izzzatso

Sep 10 2008, 07:14 AM

QUOTE(Maxx61 @ Sep 10 2008, 05:39 AM)

Your last statement in your response above warrants a warning but that's not for me to decide. Dr. X had a valid interest in my change of heart and you're attempting to hijack his thread. What on earth does Palin have to do with this conversation?

It's in the Dumpster so who cares?

Plunderer

Sep 10 2008, 07:34 AM

QUOTE(Izzzatso Hussein @ Sep 10 2008, 09:14 AM)

It's in the Dumpster so who cares?

The SAME rules APPLY!

DO NOT DO THAT AGAIN, or you too will face suspension!!!!!

-P

DrX

Oct 26 2008, 03:01 PM

QUOTE(Maxx61 @ Sep 9 2008, 10:55 AM)

I know EXACTLY what Joe Lieberman is thinking right now and that probably explains why I am as hated as Joe....lol at least in this neck of cyber space.

I beg to differ. LIEberman turned turn-coat way before this election season.
I highly doubt that his motives for supporting McCain are the same as yours.
Me thinks he would have supported whichever candidate the Repukes offered up.

cqsallie Hussein

Oct 26 2008, 06:02 PM

QUOTE(Maxx61 @ Sep 10 2008, 07:39 AM)

Your last statement in your response above warrants a warning but that's not for me to decide. Dr. X had a valid interest in my change of heart and you're attempting to hijack his thread. What on earth does Palin have to do with this conversation?

I can understand that you prefer John McCain over Barack Obama (can't say I understand why). However, unlike voting for a member of Congress, when you vote for your choice as president, you are voting for the ticket. In that way, Palin has a lot to do with this conversation. A vote for McCain is a vote for Palin.
Despite all the rhetoric about voting for the candidate for the presidency, we are also voting for his/her replacement. Whoever would have thought that a young and vigorous man like Jack Kennedy would not live through his term? However slight or far-fetched it might seem on election day, there is always a chance that the president will not be able to fulfill his term.
Therefore, I really must ask Maxx if his vote for the McCain/Palin ticket (although it actually sounds as if it's actually a vote against Obama) means that he'll be as happy with Sarah Palin as president as he will apparently be with McCain as president....
Sallie