There's a recent letter to the editor in the local paper from one of our local GOP contingent going on about how only Republicans are for life since they're opposed to abortion. I'm thinking of doing a nice little rebuttal letter. I think a good way to drive the point home would be to say how many deaths Bush and the GOP have been responsible for over the past seven years throughout the world.

I've heard anywhere from 600,000 to about 1,033,000 just from the war alone. So would it be fair to say that Bush and the Republicans have been responsible for the deaths of over 1 million?

I do not know the answer, but Oh, What The Heck?
Go For It----over 1 million

Since when has a little exaggerating ever stopped the Righties?

The Lancet said back in '06 that the number was around 600K, not many support that number. Iraq Body Count puts the number much smaller, 86,663 – 94,560. If you want to talk about displaced Iraqis, that number is in the millions. Displaced both inside Iraq and outside.

The so called 'official' number for cost is 500+ Billion but when everything is added up, the number is $1-3 Trillion.

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html

http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=88

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates...uation-20080615

I hope this helps

Oh, I know the answer to this one.

One too many.

Thanks guys. I sent my letter this morning, and said it was over one million deaths just from the war.

The local paper usually publishes my letters. I know someone who works there and she indicated it's because mine are intelligent and thought provoking - unlike some that go into the circular file. So if mine does get through I doubt it'll get through to the hard-core righties, but it might get the moderates around here thinking.

Don't forget 25 million and 300 million:

25 million Iraqis liberated from tyranny.
300 million Americans who will never be targets for Saddam Hussein and his sons.

Iraqis freed from Saddam Hussein but cast into the tyranny of continuous war at the hands of an oppressive occupation.

300 million Americans who were never threatened by Iraq except within the twisted mind of a small man who managed to transfer his fear to even smaller minded people who beleived him.

Saddam was never a threat, neither were his sons.

25 million? Why don't you ask the MILLIONS displaced within Iraq and the MILLIONS that have fled (and still are) to neighboring countries?

Iraqi Exodus
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episodes...l-episode/2827/

"The Catholic League has been getting many phone calls and e-mails regarding Sen. Obama’s support for infanticide. To read more about how, while in the Illinois state senate, Obama led the fight to deny medical care to infants born alive as a result of botched abortions and let them die unaided in hospital rooms, check out the links below":

http://www.catholicleague.org/obama&infanticide.php

Catholic League? Give me an effing break, they are a hate group for one.

1) I agree with you on that but how is O answering this - I checked over on fight the smears - did I miss something there?

2)Over the weekend, Biden’s pro-choice views raised the ire of Denver Archbishop Charles Chaput.

“I presume that his integrity will lead him to refrain from presenting himself for communion, if he supports a false ‘right’ to abortion,” Chaput told The Associated Press.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/ar...skip-communion/

dear mr vote nader;you are a lowlife troll.i do not believe that you are a nader supporter.you are a lier,and a troll.you cannot hijack threads with these outraous assinine abominations.this is rediculess.it is a rovian sleaze machine talking point.it means nothing ,but it is highly inflamatory.only an idiot would believe it,and only a self hating, hater,halfwit would try to throw this crap out around here,or anywhere else.

gas is 3.50$ a gallon people.the housing market is in freefall. rising unemployment will "trickle down",as you righties like to say,so that crime goes up,the debt will increase,all of our social ills will get worse.
I believe that if the devil himself ,while admitting that he is the devil,ran for president,and said all the right things,get the talking points right,they would vote for the devil,knowing full well he is the devil,as long as he says the GOP talking points right.

That Archbishop should be jailed and the tax exempt status of that church removed. That church should have to pay taxes from 1776 to present day. Churches have NO PLACE in politics or elections. NONE.

RE:"but it is highly inflamatory.only an idiot would believe it,"

I did not post my personal opinion.
I posted the Catholic league and the statements of a Catholic Bishop.

I posted the links so you could check it out for yourselves.
Yes I support Nader.

I am also watching the conventions.
Are you saying that because I support Nader my posting links here is hijacking your thread?

I agree 150%

War is death. Afghanistan-- people die. Iraq-- people die.

You have some insight as to how to avoid death? I'm sure the world would love to hear this.

Did you send that letter to all the Democrats that voted for the war? Be sure to send it to those responsible for the attack, they should get this letter. Oh, and don't forget to send one to every American that saw red on 9/11/2001 and supported our government going to war.

That's roughly... wow, I can't imagine how many hours that will take you to write all those letters.

But, hey, you want to blame Bush for the terrorist that planned the attack, go right ahead. You wanna blame Bush for the hijackers that were killing innocent civilians before the impact, be my guest. You wanna blame Bush for the war that he didn't start, be my guest.

You know, we have a word for people like you in the military, those that scream for blood and when they see it, they don't have the stomack for it, and begin to question was it worth it. The problem is, wars don't end when you throw up. They end with soldiers doing the will of the American people.

Make sure you write one of those letters to yourself, you gutless wonder.

Who is talking about Afghanistan? Iraq is where they screwed the pooch.

You, didn't read the op, did you? figures.

Somebody been Hiding under a Rock, or What???

Iraq sure as heck didn't start a War with the USA.

Last time I checked, close to 80% of Mainstream American's are against this War----There is Your Will of The People-----Why are we still fighting Bush's cherry-picked, LYING (WMD'S, Niger, uranium, etc, etc)
WAR?

its not my thread,its a thread about bush,and the number of people who have died due to his incompetence.
this thread has nothing to do with abortion.its about real people who have ceased to exist,while GW and his ilk continue to exist.its about killing people for money.
when you interject an absurd idea,to disrupt a thread,you are a troll.
how does it feel to be a troll?I would assume that after the initial rush of self admiration for being so clever,you must realize that you are not so clever but realy just being foolish.you wonder if you are not better than that.

WOW the propaganda sure has worked on you.

How about not starting the war in the first place. Seeing it wasnt needed in any way.

[[quote]t42592
Make sure you write one of those letters to yourself, you gutless wonder.
[quote]
thats just name calling.imagine if he called you a name like,meany,or redneck,you can see the implications.you might want to threaten him or insult his favorite vacation resort.like ,for instance,my freind said to me,"campin out in the wilderness sucks,and people who camp there are stupid idiots"{i think my ex wife said that to me once}and you can imagine the ramifications!

RE"this thread has nothing to do with abortion"
Really? Post #1 introduced it as a topic.

"There's a recent letter to the editor in the local paper from
one of our local GOP contingent going on about how
only Republicans are for life since they're opposed to abortion"
Is that person a troll too?

It is also the #2 story over on Fox News.com.
http://www.foxnews.com/

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/ar...-skip-communion

Including Trinity United Church of Christ? Are you going to take away Rev. Wright's church's tax exemption?

VP-elect Joe Biden thought it was necessary -- that's why he voted for the Iraq war.

Your are correct a passage from Joe



more

That statement is true..They also won't be targets of any other dead person. My mom for instance.

However you rediculous statement shows that you seem to be under the bizzarre delusion that there was such a threat from saddam.

Oh, aren't you the philosopher! How do we avoid death (by war)? DON'T START FRIGGIN' WARS (especially, unnecessary, ILLEGAL ones)...

Biden wasn't the one who "cherry picked" the intelligence, nor was Biden the one who
Outright Lied to the American People during a "State of the Union" Address.

If the NeoCon's were so confident, I wonder what the vote in Congress would have been, had they the "guts" to tell the TRUTH.

Biden's comments are from 2007, one would think he would have seen through any cherry picking and formed his opinions. Keep clinging to your partisan ideals.

My father was a Navy aircraft mechanic who served bravely in the war-torn Pacific during WWII. Yet he was a gentle, kind, generous and compassionate human being who saved several lives even as a civilian after he retired. My guess is that he would have hated the Iraq war as much as I and the target of your stupid attack do. And STICK TO THE SUBJECT, Bub. Iraq and the Iraq war had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Nobody "screamed for blood" -- especially innocent blood. You are not the military man that my father was. He never defended war and killing, but he did what was necessary when the time came. He would especially never defend a war based on lies and for oil and greed -- a war that unnecessarily cost the lives and health of thousands of your fellow warriors. And he would never insult those trying to save not only innocent lives in Iraq, but the also lives of our military soldiers -- lives wasted on Bush's illegal war. No you are not at all like my father. You are just a bully in uniform...

For those who have trouble with the REading and Comprehension Part, this is the Post I replied to:


bmoneil
post Today, 07:53 PM
Post #28


QUOTE(Cementmonkey @ Aug 26 2008, 08:44 PM) *

How about not starting the war in the first place. Seeing it wasnt needed in any way.

VP-elect Joe Biden thought it was necessary -- that's why he voted for the Iraq war.

Everyone including Biden had access to the NIE Report on Iraq, the only one that read it was Bob Graham-D from Florida. Biden and others had no excuse and even if they did make a so called mistake, defunding the war was the best option and he did NOT do that ever.

You are Very Correct, Prairie. My Father was also a WWII Vet. That Generation was certainly a Great Class-----they understood the true meaning of the word's "Duty" and "Honor". Unlike those of today who are held by their hand's while going thru Basic Training, and falling for every Right Wing Talking Point, Hook, Line and Sinker----that they hear.

You know I'm sick of hearing this BS "s/he voted for the war"! That vote was TAINTED BY LIES from the Bush administration. If people didn't do their own research or read every report carefully (which makes them guilty of laziness, but not complicity) then they didn't know they were being lied to by every f*cking Bush rep who stood up and talked about the need to attack Iraq. This is BUSH'S WAR and the sycophantic, cowardly, rubberstamp, bush-ass-kissing, obstructionist GOP Congress. If Dems were afraid they'd lose their jobs in the lying, smearing fallout from the Bush-GOP if they tried to stop the illegal war outright, then they are guilty of cowardice. But it's NOT their war! And it's NOT my war. It's Bush's war and it's YOUR war. And you know what? Both Republicans AND Democrats have lost life and limb in this stupid, greedy, unnecessary, ILLEGAL war. WE ARE ALL PAYING THE PRICE...

Oh, Really????

You mean the very same NIE Report that Bush did not release until 2006.
You mean THAT NIE Report? The one that only a handful on The Senate Intelligence Committee got to see, and then only if you were One of the High Ranking, DO NOTHING Republicans.

You mean THAT NIE Report

He can call me all sorts of names, but since he earned himself a place on my ignore list with his little personal attack I'll neither see them nor care about them either.

....probably as sick as I am of hearing about "Bush's Lies", "Bush's War", an Obstructionist GOP Congress (what, exactly have the libs done about ending the war since they've been in power?), Illegal, Unnecessary, War, blah, blah, blah.
.....I'm sure while you guys are writing letters regarding deaths caused by President Bush, dont forget to include your anger at the automobile deaths caused by Henry Ford and the electric chair deaths caused by Ben Franklin.

Ridiculous!

Denny Crane!

Denny, you are not looking at this like a liberal. The auto deaths are not the fault of Ford, but the fault of Bush. You see, Bush is an oil man, and the cars couldnt run without oil. so, any deaths that have anything to do with oil, are Bush's fault.

I mean this one

Few senators read Iraq NIE report http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/few-se...2007-06-19.html

Probably need to take away the tax exemption on some Lutheran Churches too (WELS and some LCMS) because they would probably* (second hand info) deny communion to a public figure that was openly pro-life even though they were a member of the congregation.

Communion is a private matter within the church body. Why should the government care what who the church allows/deny?

935 LIES told by the cartel yet Bushie has NO responsibility? Downing Street Memos, yet Bushie has NO resposibility? Darth wanting to dress Navy Seals up as jihadists to create havoc, yet Bushie has NO responsibility?

Could Georgie drop a nuke on Beijing and be a hero? He would to you.

So you are in fact referring to the Report that Bush 'secretly" declassified, and then authorizred McClellan to leak select statements to reporters. But what seems to be excluded are the conclusions from the REAL REPORT that indicated there was no Real Threat from Iraq:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/29/mcclel...plames-idenity/

"In a classified National Intelligence Estimate prepared before the Iraq war, the CIA hedged its judgments about Saddam Hussein and weapons of mass destruction, pointing up the limits of its knowledge."

"But in the unclassified version of the NIE — the so-called white paper cited by the Bush administration in making its case for war — those carefully qualified conclusions were turned into blunt assertions of fact, according to the Senate Intelligence Committee's report on prewar intelligence.
"
"The repeated elimination of qualifying language and dissenting assessments of some of the government's most knowledgeable experts gave the public an inaccurate impression of what the U.S. intelligence community believed about the threat Hussein posed to the United States, the committee said."

"Dedicating a section of its 511-page report to discrepancies between the two versions of the crucial October 2002 NIE, the panel laid out numerous instances in which the unclassified version omitted key dissenting opinions about Iraqi weapons capabilities, overstated U.S. knowledge about Iraq's alleged stockpiles of weapons and, in one case, inserted threatening language into the public document that was not contained in the classified version."
http://www.pipeline.com/~rougeforum/ciablackedout.html

Dawg,

Please keep it respectful with other posters. It's okay to attack an idea, not the person.

Thanks,

-P

Commander In Chief abuse of power.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXnO_FxmHes

This is a bunch of hot air by some looneys. If Bush actually did any of what you claim, the left wing of the senate would be going after him. Just like if the Iraq war was such a mistake, the left wing of the senate would cut off funding.

Neither has happened.

Quiet the opposite, not only did they not uphold the rhetoric about impeachment, they funded the war, and supported FISA.

"Vote for Oama for Change," yea, right. Can you say, "Mr. Smith goes to Washington?"