Add another to the list.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?...ican+pedophiles
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
*Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
*Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.
*Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
*Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
*Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
*Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.
*Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
*Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
*Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
Full Version: Republican Pedophiles
... you forgot your disclaimer, Shred. 
BTW: Good post!
BTW: Good post!
Friends,
If you google "Republican & corruption", there's a reason why the very first site that comes up (out of 9.3 million) is my own http://JesusWouldBeFurious.Org/about/gopcorruption.html (or http://LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/about/gopcorruption.html ).
It's the site that's most often linked by other sites and viewed by people who have looked to Google for help finding that topic. I've been collecting every instance I could find and making sure it would be available to everybody interested in the topic if and when the time arose, and the time is NOW, more than ever.
If you google "Republican & corruption", there's a reason why the very first site that comes up (out of 9.3 million) is my own http://JesusWouldBeFurious.Org/about/gopcorruption.html (or http://LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/about/gopcorruption.html ).
It's the site that's most often linked by other sites and viewed by people who have looked to Google for help finding that topic. I've been collecting every instance I could find and making sure it would be available to everybody interested in the topic if and when the time arose, and the time is NOW, more than ever.
Edited to make the links work
Republicans have no monopoly on debauchery, dishonesty, thievery, or any other vice. That assumes that debauchery is a vice----I'd rather think of it as boy's night out. Democrats have no qualms about criticizing their own when the rules are broken. Republicans join rank and defend, deny and make excuses.
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Great post Shred
QUOTE(queteimporta @ Oct 1 2006, 02:07 PM) 
Republicans have no monopoly on debauchery, dishonesty, thievery, or any other vice. That assumes that debauchery is a vice----I'd rather think of it as boy's night out. Democrats have no qualms about criticizing their own when the rules are broken. Republicans join rank and defend, deny and make excuses.
What I'm hearing on the talk circuits this morning is that the republicans are not only condemning Foley but also calling for accountability of the republican leaders who knew of this and attempted to cover it up. Thats as it should be.
QUOTE(Senihele @ Oct 1 2006, 02:41 PM)
What I'm hearing on the talk circuits this morning is that the republicans are not only condemning Foley but also calling for accountability of the republican leaders who knew of this and attempted to cover it up. Thats as it should be.
That's not what I just heard on MSNBC. I heard a RWer, apologizing saying that the RW leadership had done everything reasonable, and defending the leaderships decision to block any investigation. Doesn't sound like they want any accountability at all. Why would they block Nancy Pelosi's motion for an investigation? Maybe they are just blocking it until after the election so that the people responsible will have two years to make their constituents forget that they aided a sexual predator in his attempts to continue to victimize underage government employee's. What did this guy do that was any different then all the people arrested on the "To Catch a Predator" series. Answer, unlike them, he was in a position of authority, with credibility, and he didn't need to go to "the house," because they lived in the dorms and came to work every day. His victims had to worry about what reporting the SOB would do to their futures, their careers, their scholarships, their page-ships, and their image. I'm appalled that the Republicans let it continue for a year after they knew about it, that they had a "conversation" with him, and that they lied to cover it up. But hey, they impeached Clinton for lying about a blow-job. "Values party," you know.
P.S. I in no way consider you to be part of this Seni. But your party's leadership is certainly fair game in this matter. Perhaps you could write your party and demand they remove the hold on the investigation.
QUOTE(J_dogg82 @ Oct 1 2006, 03:52 PM)
That's not what I just heard on MSNBC. I heard a RWer, apologizing saying that the RW leadership had done everything reasonable, and defending the leaderships decision to block any investigation. Doesn't sound like they want any accountability at all. Why would they block Nancy Pelosi's motion for an investigation? Maybe they are just blocking it until after the election so that the people responsible will have two years to make their constituents forget that they aided a sexual predator in his attempts to continue to victimize underage government employee's. What did this guy do that was any different then all the people arrested on the "To Catch a Predator" series. Answer, unlike them, he was in a position of authority, with credibility, and he didn't need to go to "the house," because they lived in the dorms and came to work every day. His victims had to worry about what reporting the SOB would do to their futures, their careers, their scholarships, their page-ships, and their image. I'm appalled that the Republicans let it continue for a year after they knew about it, that they had a "conversation" with him, and that they lied to cover it up. But hey, they impeached Clinton for lying about a blow-job. "Values party," you know.
P.S. I in no way consider you to be part of this Seni. But your party's leadership is certainly fair game in this matter. Perhaps you could write your party and demand they remove the hold on the investigation.
I wasn't talking about party leadership. There's certainly evidence some of them knew and covered up. I mean the party representatives as a whole. If they defend a coverup they're making excuses. But CNN reported this morning about calls for a full investigation, including towards the republican leaders of the house and senate, that were coming from republicans. I didn't hear specifics on who (was on the radio) but will see if I can uncovered details.
This is a very fair challenge, Shred. I have seen several lists like this. While many are very accurate and careful about how they word things, others are not. It is interesting how Rayosun mentions over nine million hits coming up under a Google search of the words 'Republicans & Corruption'. A large portion of these hits are 'cut and paste echos' of the blogosphere and posts from websites like this. Some websites even reffered to each other as linked sources in a case of Internet self tail chasing. I don't know if Shred realizes it or not, but his list runs as an almost virtual mirror of a list that appears on a website called Pedophileophobia.com. It starts out as a website that appears to be devoted to preventing child abuse and punishing those that do abuse children. After scrolling downward for only a short distance one finds a section called 'Republican Pedophiles'. I can only assume from this that ALL pedophiles are Republicans, hence there was no need for a separate section named 'Democratic Pedophiles' or 'Green Party Pedophiles'.
Was Pedophileophobia.com's list original, or another cut and paste?
I took the liberty of checking out each and every one of the 45 listings that Shred has taken the time to list. In doing so, my websearches turned up several interesting results. Number one..... frankly most blogs and posts really suck as accurate sources of information. I ran across dozens of blogs/posts on almost everyone of the 45 listed 'Republican Rogues' that were just identically worded accusations. Even spelling errors were duplicated in some instances. What I really liked to see were independent news accounts. It often took some looking to get through the 'Blog Chaff'. Sometimes I was on page 11 or 12 on a Google search before I found a credible non-blog source.
This has been time consuming (taken over six hours), but it has been educational. The statement about 'the fact that there are over nine million hits on Google must prove something' no longer holds much water in my book. I've looked at enough to see that the statement 'seven times removed' that is used to apply to everyone on earth being only seven people removed from knowing everyone else on the planet also applies to blogs/posts as well.
Many of those listed below are accurate. Some are not.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?...ican+pedophiles
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
When Mister Heldreth was 19 he met a woman at a college party. They had sex, she was underage. Unfortunately for Mister Heldreth, he did not have the same ending to this that the character 'Pinto' from the movie Animal House had. He was held for months in the 1992 to 1993 timeframe before even getting to trail. He eventually plead quilty to sexual battery and got time served plus probation. Details available at http://news.tbo.com/news/MGB16Y1NV6E.html
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
Received eight years for molesting two girls - Slime Ball.
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
The 'Girl' Judge Pazuhanich fondled was his own daughter at a Hilary Duff concert. Slime ball.
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
Referring to Mister Morency as a 'Republican' is no more correct then saying that all members of labor unions are Democrats. This man put out a 1.5 million dollar bounty on the internet for the murder of Doctors that perform abortions. In going through Mister Morency's computer seized during an investigation into the online bounty threat, investigators found Child Porn on his computer's hard drive. He plead guilty. Slime ball.
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
Mister Aldarondo was convicted of intoxicating his stepdaughter and a 17 year old friend and attempting to rape the friend. He was a state legislator between 1996 and 2000.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
This Slime ball 'rented the services' of a Prostitute's daughter and the Prostitute's niece. Mister Giordano was convicted and sentenced to serve 37 years in June of 2003.
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
Mister Shortridge received three years probation for taking indecent photos of a 15 year old girl. Judge Thomas Solokou presided.
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
A 22 year old Strom Thurmond had sex with a 16 year old maid at the family home back in the 1920s. She became pregnant. Details at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3321483.stm
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
The extent of Pastor Mike Hintz Republican involvement seems to be that both he and his wife (Sharla Hintz) were introduced during some Presidential funstion by President Bush 43 in regards to having received a tax refund based on President Bush's enhanced child tax credit. He had sex with a 17 year old girl whom he was administering to as a youth pastor. No record found on if convicted or not. Slime ball.
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
Mister Dibble pleaded no contest to reckless endangerment and received a suspended 90 days sentence. The Stonington, Connecticut city council paid Mister Dibble $75,000.00 to resign his City Council seat. Slime ball.
*Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Mister King simply sucked up to whomever was in power, which happened to be Republicans at the time. This charge is strictly a rumor. No trail was ever held on this. Mister King's 'Republican Ties' were apparently not strong enough to prevent a joint 1988 raid on King's Franklin Credit Union by both the FBI and IRS. The Treasury department also waded in a month later and filed suit over $34 million in missing funds. He served a 15 year sentence from Bank fraud convictions. Some sources state that Mister King fabricated the 'child sex party' stories in order to scare off prosecution on bank fraud. At least the story on 'Satanic Ritual Murder' that was made against Mister King by the Italian weekly 'Avventimenti' (Italian for Events) wasn't repeated in Shred's post.
*Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
This former ABC correspondent turned Lobbyist was exposed in an article published in the Washington Times. While he appears to have taken some of his clients through the White House, no substantiations of 'White House Child Sex Orgies' was ever found. Mister Spence committed suicide before ever being brought to trail.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Mister Lunkens was not convicted of 'having sex'. The age of consent in Ohio is 16. He was convicted of contributing to the deliquency of a minor for offering Ms. Rosie Coffman $40 and some undisclosed gifts for sex in return. Slime ball.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Slime ball caught photographing two underage girls. He received probation for producing child pornography.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Two of the children were his own. This lead to a nasty Nuclear Divorce with Mister Grethan's wife. Mister Grethan is serving a long prison term. Slime ball.
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.
While Mister Ankeney has denied assaulting either of the two girls, he pleaded quilty to avoid the risk of a long prison term. In the case of the accusation from a former 17 year old aide, the conviction was thrown out due to statements made by the 17 year old who looked at this case as a "Cash Cow" and a "Payday". The conviction on the charge from the 13 year old girl still stands.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Odd that this is mentioned. Yes it is a Republican admitting to having sex with a 17 year old female congressional aide. But it is sooooo closely linked to Congessman Gerry Studd's (D-MA) simultainious admission that he had sex with a 17 year old male Congressional aide that the irony becomes interesting. Back in July of 1983 Congressman Newt Gingrich put forth a motion to remove BOTH Congressman. The full house voted no, but they did vote to censure both Congressman. This was the first punishment of any kind that Congress had ever voted for against one of their members for sex related charges. Congressman Crane apologized from the floor of the house in a teary eyed speech. He was overwhelming voted out in the next Republican primary in his district. Congressman Studds never apologized. He was reelected on 1986 with 56% and served until 1996.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
Mister Russell was the stepfather of Susan Smith. She is the woman that was accused and convicted of strapping her two sons into a car and rolling it into John D. Long Lake. During the sentencing phase of the trial, Mister Russell took the stand and confessed that he had sexually molested his stepdaughter as a child and that this had turned into an affair. Mister Russell testified that "you don't have all the quilt in this tragedy". He also said that he had let her down as a father. This is a human tragedy.
Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.
Rumor only.
*Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
The man led a secret double life. He was defeated in his reelection bid one month later. No conviction on charges that I could find.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Rayosun's website parrot the common charge that this video of a five year old is "some of the most offensive material in the child pornographic world". I see this same claim made over and over on the web. I don't doubt it! Apparently this video clip was confiscated by law enforcement and then tagged with a tracking software virus. It was sent to and from over 10,000 computers worldwide. Over a thousand were fron IP addresses based in the US. 42 of those were in New Jersey. Attorney General Peter Harvey issued arrest warrants against all 42 users. Mister Patti has vehmently denied the charges. It is interesting that no other indication of child pornography was found on Mister Patti's computer despite some heavy duty computer forensics work. This was back in January of 2005. I can find no mention of any subsequent action or conviction. While he may have been arrested, I don't know if Mister Patti is quilty of anything more than having an 'evil doer' on his computer at some point.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
Charged only back in April of 2001. I could not locate any proof of conviction.
*Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
I could find no evidence of conviction of Mister Brooks.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
Slime ball.
*Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Convicted Slime ball.
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
Mister Matthews pleded quilty and received a deferred adjudication for a seven year period. He resigned from his Radio Show.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Year 2000. Slime ball.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Mister Ingram is trying to use recovered memories as a defense. Slime ball.
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
Blast! I misplaced my notes on this one. If memory serves he was caught in a police internet sting. The 14 year old girl turned out to be a Police Officer for the City of Alton. He was caught wallet in hand.
*Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
He was tried and acquitted. No story here.
Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
This sounds like some careless Jacuzzi skinny dipping by the adults that was witnessed by the kids. Doesn't appear to be intentional by Mister Westmoreland. Case dates from June of 2002.
Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.
This anti abortionist activist is also involved (indirectly) with the murder of Doctor Gunn. Calling him a Republican is about as accurate as calling a Union Member that torches a dozen company tractor trailer rigs during a strike a 'Democrat'. Slime ball.
*Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
Little info found on this one. Appears to be a Slime ball.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
His activity with his local Republican party consisted of putting up election signs. I quess that still makes him one of ours. Slime ball.
Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Mister Gardner - 1970s Slime ball.
Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
2002 Slime ball.
*Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
The Kennebec County Clerk pleaded in April of 1999.
Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
Mister Smeltzer pleaded no contest in February of 2005. Slime ball.
Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
Mister Bena was convicted in 2001. Slime ball.
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
Colorado Governer Bill Owens fired Mister Schwarz for providing false information on his job application. One of the questions is about there being "nothing in your backround that would be an embarrassment". Yes or No? Talk about a perfect catch all phrase. The pictures were of Mister Schwarz's family members.
I don't know if the photos were lurid or just skinny dipping nude beach photos. In any event, he got fired, true enough. Colorado's Sex offender data base is divided by county. Since I don't know which county Mister Schwarz resides in (or even if he still lives in Colorado at all) I have no way of seeing if there was a conviction.
*Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
Vanderwall Convicted. Slime.
Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Convicted Slime ball.
Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
Cheap shot leveled during the 1990 campaign for Governor in Minnesota. The cheap shot worked though. Nothing ever proven. Mister Grunseth's stepdaughter denies the account by the other two women.
Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Lack of hard news stories on this one. The IS a 48 year old registered sex offender named Nicholas Elizondo in California's sex offender database.
Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
First Class Slime ball.
Truth be written, I have not taken the time to do a Google search on 'Democrat Pedophilies'. Nor will I. All I'll get is the same stream of human misery all over again.
Why go through it? These Shit lists prove nothing. Go back 20 years and do a search on anyone that even hung campaigns signs for the Democratic party. Include all Union members too. Hey, if all anti-abortionist are Republicans, aren't all Union members Dems? Include City councilman. So a person gets a list of 50 souls..... 100, doesn't matter. Until some Professor can prove that being a Republican (or a Democrat) is the cause of this, it proves nothing except hypocrisy. Hypocrisy enough for us ALL........
Like I've written before, its a waste of my time.... and yours!
Regards,
Was Pedophileophobia.com's list original, or another cut and paste?
I took the liberty of checking out each and every one of the 45 listings that Shred has taken the time to list. In doing so, my websearches turned up several interesting results. Number one..... frankly most blogs and posts really suck as accurate sources of information. I ran across dozens of blogs/posts on almost everyone of the 45 listed 'Republican Rogues' that were just identically worded accusations. Even spelling errors were duplicated in some instances. What I really liked to see were independent news accounts. It often took some looking to get through the 'Blog Chaff'. Sometimes I was on page 11 or 12 on a Google search before I found a credible non-blog source.
This has been time consuming (taken over six hours), but it has been educational. The statement about 'the fact that there are over nine million hits on Google must prove something' no longer holds much water in my book. I've looked at enough to see that the statement 'seven times removed' that is used to apply to everyone on earth being only seven people removed from knowing everyone else on the planet also applies to blogs/posts as well.
Many of those listed below are accurate. Some are not.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?...ican+pedophiles
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
When Mister Heldreth was 19 he met a woman at a college party. They had sex, she was underage. Unfortunately for Mister Heldreth, he did not have the same ending to this that the character 'Pinto' from the movie Animal House had. He was held for months in the 1992 to 1993 timeframe before even getting to trail. He eventually plead quilty to sexual battery and got time served plus probation. Details available at http://news.tbo.com/news/MGB16Y1NV6E.html
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
Received eight years for molesting two girls - Slime Ball.
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
The 'Girl' Judge Pazuhanich fondled was his own daughter at a Hilary Duff concert. Slime ball.
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
Referring to Mister Morency as a 'Republican' is no more correct then saying that all members of labor unions are Democrats. This man put out a 1.5 million dollar bounty on the internet for the murder of Doctors that perform abortions. In going through Mister Morency's computer seized during an investigation into the online bounty threat, investigators found Child Porn on his computer's hard drive. He plead guilty. Slime ball.
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
Mister Aldarondo was convicted of intoxicating his stepdaughter and a 17 year old friend and attempting to rape the friend. He was a state legislator between 1996 and 2000.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
This Slime ball 'rented the services' of a Prostitute's daughter and the Prostitute's niece. Mister Giordano was convicted and sentenced to serve 37 years in June of 2003.
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
Mister Shortridge received three years probation for taking indecent photos of a 15 year old girl. Judge Thomas Solokou presided.
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
A 22 year old Strom Thurmond had sex with a 16 year old maid at the family home back in the 1920s. She became pregnant. Details at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3321483.stm
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
The extent of Pastor Mike Hintz Republican involvement seems to be that both he and his wife (Sharla Hintz) were introduced during some Presidential funstion by President Bush 43 in regards to having received a tax refund based on President Bush's enhanced child tax credit. He had sex with a 17 year old girl whom he was administering to as a youth pastor. No record found on if convicted or not. Slime ball.
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
Mister Dibble pleaded no contest to reckless endangerment and received a suspended 90 days sentence. The Stonington, Connecticut city council paid Mister Dibble $75,000.00 to resign his City Council seat. Slime ball.
*Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Mister King simply sucked up to whomever was in power, which happened to be Republicans at the time. This charge is strictly a rumor. No trail was ever held on this. Mister King's 'Republican Ties' were apparently not strong enough to prevent a joint 1988 raid on King's Franklin Credit Union by both the FBI and IRS. The Treasury department also waded in a month later and filed suit over $34 million in missing funds. He served a 15 year sentence from Bank fraud convictions. Some sources state that Mister King fabricated the 'child sex party' stories in order to scare off prosecution on bank fraud. At least the story on 'Satanic Ritual Murder' that was made against Mister King by the Italian weekly 'Avventimenti' (Italian for Events) wasn't repeated in Shred's post.
*Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
This former ABC correspondent turned Lobbyist was exposed in an article published in the Washington Times. While he appears to have taken some of his clients through the White House, no substantiations of 'White House Child Sex Orgies' was ever found. Mister Spence committed suicide before ever being brought to trail.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Mister Lunkens was not convicted of 'having sex'. The age of consent in Ohio is 16. He was convicted of contributing to the deliquency of a minor for offering Ms. Rosie Coffman $40 and some undisclosed gifts for sex in return. Slime ball.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Slime ball caught photographing two underage girls. He received probation for producing child pornography.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Two of the children were his own. This lead to a nasty Nuclear Divorce with Mister Grethan's wife. Mister Grethan is serving a long prison term. Slime ball.
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.
While Mister Ankeney has denied assaulting either of the two girls, he pleaded quilty to avoid the risk of a long prison term. In the case of the accusation from a former 17 year old aide, the conviction was thrown out due to statements made by the 17 year old who looked at this case as a "Cash Cow" and a "Payday". The conviction on the charge from the 13 year old girl still stands.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Odd that this is mentioned. Yes it is a Republican admitting to having sex with a 17 year old female congressional aide. But it is sooooo closely linked to Congessman Gerry Studd's (D-MA) simultainious admission that he had sex with a 17 year old male Congressional aide that the irony becomes interesting. Back in July of 1983 Congressman Newt Gingrich put forth a motion to remove BOTH Congressman. The full house voted no, but they did vote to censure both Congressman. This was the first punishment of any kind that Congress had ever voted for against one of their members for sex related charges. Congressman Crane apologized from the floor of the house in a teary eyed speech. He was overwhelming voted out in the next Republican primary in his district. Congressman Studds never apologized. He was reelected on 1986 with 56% and served until 1996.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
Mister Russell was the stepfather of Susan Smith. She is the woman that was accused and convicted of strapping her two sons into a car and rolling it into John D. Long Lake. During the sentencing phase of the trial, Mister Russell took the stand and confessed that he had sexually molested his stepdaughter as a child and that this had turned into an affair. Mister Russell testified that "you don't have all the quilt in this tragedy". He also said that he had let her down as a father. This is a human tragedy.
Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.
Rumor only.
*Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
The man led a secret double life. He was defeated in his reelection bid one month later. No conviction on charges that I could find.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Rayosun's website parrot the common charge that this video of a five year old is "some of the most offensive material in the child pornographic world". I see this same claim made over and over on the web. I don't doubt it! Apparently this video clip was confiscated by law enforcement and then tagged with a tracking software virus. It was sent to and from over 10,000 computers worldwide. Over a thousand were fron IP addresses based in the US. 42 of those were in New Jersey. Attorney General Peter Harvey issued arrest warrants against all 42 users. Mister Patti has vehmently denied the charges. It is interesting that no other indication of child pornography was found on Mister Patti's computer despite some heavy duty computer forensics work. This was back in January of 2005. I can find no mention of any subsequent action or conviction. While he may have been arrested, I don't know if Mister Patti is quilty of anything more than having an 'evil doer' on his computer at some point.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
Charged only back in April of 2001. I could not locate any proof of conviction.
*Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
I could find no evidence of conviction of Mister Brooks.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
Slime ball.
*Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Convicted Slime ball.
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
Mister Matthews pleded quilty and received a deferred adjudication for a seven year period. He resigned from his Radio Show.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Year 2000. Slime ball.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Mister Ingram is trying to use recovered memories as a defense. Slime ball.
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
Blast! I misplaced my notes on this one. If memory serves he was caught in a police internet sting. The 14 year old girl turned out to be a Police Officer for the City of Alton. He was caught wallet in hand.
*Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
He was tried and acquitted. No story here.
Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
This sounds like some careless Jacuzzi skinny dipping by the adults that was witnessed by the kids. Doesn't appear to be intentional by Mister Westmoreland. Case dates from June of 2002.
Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.
This anti abortionist activist is also involved (indirectly) with the murder of Doctor Gunn. Calling him a Republican is about as accurate as calling a Union Member that torches a dozen company tractor trailer rigs during a strike a 'Democrat'. Slime ball.
*Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
Little info found on this one. Appears to be a Slime ball.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
His activity with his local Republican party consisted of putting up election signs. I quess that still makes him one of ours. Slime ball.
Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Mister Gardner - 1970s Slime ball.
Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
2002 Slime ball.
*Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
The Kennebec County Clerk pleaded in April of 1999.
Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
Mister Smeltzer pleaded no contest in February of 2005. Slime ball.
Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
Mister Bena was convicted in 2001. Slime ball.
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
Colorado Governer Bill Owens fired Mister Schwarz for providing false information on his job application. One of the questions is about there being "nothing in your backround that would be an embarrassment". Yes or No? Talk about a perfect catch all phrase. The pictures were of Mister Schwarz's family members.
I don't know if the photos were lurid or just skinny dipping nude beach photos. In any event, he got fired, true enough. Colorado's Sex offender data base is divided by county. Since I don't know which county Mister Schwarz resides in (or even if he still lives in Colorado at all) I have no way of seeing if there was a conviction.
*Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
Vanderwall Convicted. Slime.
Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Convicted Slime ball.
Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
Cheap shot leveled during the 1990 campaign for Governor in Minnesota. The cheap shot worked though. Nothing ever proven. Mister Grunseth's stepdaughter denies the account by the other two women.
Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Lack of hard news stories on this one. The IS a 48 year old registered sex offender named Nicholas Elizondo in California's sex offender database.
Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
First Class Slime ball.
Truth be written, I have not taken the time to do a Google search on 'Democrat Pedophilies'. Nor will I. All I'll get is the same stream of human misery all over again.
Why go through it? These Shit lists prove nothing. Go back 20 years and do a search on anyone that even hung campaigns signs for the Democratic party. Include all Union members too. Hey, if all anti-abortionist are Republicans, aren't all Union members Dems? Include City councilman. So a person gets a list of 50 souls..... 100, doesn't matter. Until some Professor can prove that being a Republican (or a Democrat) is the cause of this, it proves nothing except hypocrisy. Hypocrisy enough for us ALL........
Like I've written before, its a waste of my time.... and yours!
Regards,
Iveatch
You have to remember it was the repubs that claimed to be the party of morals. Their voting base are people that consider themselves to be "Holyer than thou".
You have to remember it was the repubs that claimed to be the party of morals. Their voting base are people that consider themselves to be "Holyer than thou".
QUOTE(one-time republican @ Oct 1 2006, 06:22 PM)
Iveatch
You have to remember it was the repubs that claimed to be the party of morals. Their voting base are people that consider themselves to be "Holyer than thou".
agreed, and calling criminal predators slime balls is letting them off the hook.
can you mouth the words larry king.
and sing the star bangled banner like he did?
I understand.... its a hard bill to live up to.
Hypocrisy is not a realm populated soley by us conservatives however.
You'll note that many of the slime balls are serving long prison terms. Nothing I can write here can add enough to the condemnation that they carry and have to live with every day.
Best Regards,
Hypocrisy is not a realm populated soley by us conservatives however.
You'll note that many of the slime balls are serving long prison terms. Nothing I can write here can add enough to the condemnation that they carry and have to live with every day.
Best Regards,
QUOTE(IVEATCH @ Oct 1 2006, 08:16 PM)
Shred. I have seen several lists like this. While many are very accurate and careful about how they word things, others are not. It is interesting how Rayosun mentions over nine million hits coming up under a Google search of the words 'Republicans & Corruption'. (the very first being http://LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/about/gopcorruption.html )
[ I have no idea why some of the words below appear huge, as I only wanted to make them bold.]
My fellow Liberals, don't fall for this GOP trick of IVEATCH's!!!
Altogether too often, Republican Conservatives like him try to hold Liberals and Democrats to infinitely higher standards than theirs. We do indeed have much higher standards of truth and morality than they do. But we have to discerning as to when and how to apply those standards. If we think that we can't say anything until we have a peer-reviewed doctoral thesis proving it the only time we will ever say anything is ten years after it's relevant and nobody cares any longer.
Maybe some of you remember when Susan Smith, the young mother who drowned her two young boys in a lake in South Carolina lake in 1995 and then claimed that the children had been abducted by a black man. That was bad enough, but when it came out that she was the one responsible for their deaths, the leading national spokesman for the Republican Party at the time, Newt Gingrich, immediately attributed the murder to the welfare policies instituted and administered over the years by the immoral Democratic Party.
It turns out that if any political party had anything to do with these murders, it would have to be the Republican Party, and the Religious Right, as Beverly Russell, was a Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader who admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter, the Susan Smith, lasting several years.
If you spend enough time on the SCORES of examples of Republican corruption on my web site, I'm sure that you can find a flaw here and there. But you will also find that much MORE of it is true, more than enough to show that the if there are people in this country who live in glass houses, and who shouldn't be throwing stones at Democrats, it is Republicans.
IVEATCH,
What have you ever written in public about scholarship of Ann Coulter's best sellling book about Liberals and Democrats being godless?
QUOTE(Rayosun @ Oct 1 2006, 09:22 PM)
[ I have no idea why some of the words below appear huge, as I only wanted to make them bold.]
My fellow Liberals, don't fall for this GOP trick of IVEATCH's!!!
What trick??? Exploring the charges more thoroughly? IVEATCH has called the guilty "slime" and condemned their actions so WHAT TRICK? IVEATCH is one of the more calm and rational posters on the board. You may not agree with his premise but he's engaging in honest discourse. Perhaps you might take some more time to read him before judging.
QUOTE(IVEATCH @ Oct 1 2006, 08:16 PM)
This is a very fair challenge, Shred. I have seen several lists like this. While many are very accurate and careful about how they word things, others are not. It is interesting how Rayosun mentions over nine million hits coming up under a Google search of the words 'Republicans & Corruption'. Like I've written before, its a waste of my time.... and yours!
Regards,
IVEATCH, great research, but PLEASE be careful!! I would not want to see you taken away. You should not spend 6 hours doing research on your computer of politicians and crime. The NSA is watching you and I would hate to lose you from the board and think that your are suffering in Gitmo!!!! You cannot trust Bush and his administration.
Be careful please
Love
Velveeta
QUOTE(Senihele @ Oct 1 2006, 08:28 PM)
What trick??? Exploring the charges more thoroughly? IVEATCH has called the guilty "slime" and condemned their actions so WHAT TRICK? IVEATCH is one of the more calm and rational posters on the board. You may not agree with his premise but he's engaging in honest discourse. Perhaps you might take some more time to read him before judging.
I do not believe in lumping people together. I hold the Republican leadership responsible for not wanting this matter explored fully. BUT, if my party was blocking an investigation of congressional leadership failing to protect underage government employees from being preyed upon, I would DEMAND my party investigated, and that they would expel anyone guilty. And if they didn't listen to me I would vote a straight Republican ticket in the next election. I SWEAR TO GOD.
Any lawyer, or teacher, or police officer, or social worker, or psychiatrist, or psychologist, or guidance counselor, or principle or probation officer has a MANDATORY REPORT in ANY AND ALL CASES OF CHILD ABUSE, MOLESTATION, or SEXUAL PREDATION. They can lose their licenses, or careers if they don't report something like this to the authorities. Seni. I'm sure you know all about that as a teacher. Yet we don't want to hold our CONGRESSMEN to the same standard??? One of the guys actually took 100,000 dollars from the pedophile AFTER he knew about the emails. It needs to be investigated. I have already sent letters to my representatives. I would hope that ANYONE who hears about this would DEMAND a full investigation from their government.
QUOTE(J_dogg82 @ Oct 1 2006, 09:57 PM)
I do not believe in lumping people together. I hold the Republican leadership responsible for not wanting this matter explored fully. BUT, if my party was blocking an investigation of congressional leadership failing to protect underage government employees from being preyed upon, I would DEMAND my party investigated, and that they would expel anyone guilty. And if they didn't listen to me I would vote a straight Republican ticket in the next election. I SWEAR TO GOD.
Any lawyer, or teacher, or police officer, or social worker, or psychiatrist, or psychologist, or guidance counselor, or principle or probation officer has a MANDATORY REPORT in ANY AND ALL CASES OF CHILD ABUSE, MOLESTATION, or SEXUAL PREDATION. They can lose their licenses, or careers if they don't report something like this to the authorities. Seni. I'm sure you know all about that as a teacher. Yet we don't want to hold our CONGRESSMEN to the same standard??? One of the guys actually took 100,000 dollars from the pedophile AFTER he knew about the emails. It needs to be investigated. I have already sent letters to my representatives. I would hope that ANYONE who hears about this would DEMAND a full investigation from their government.
JDogg, I don't think anyone has suggested this shouldn't be investigated.
IVEATCH's post didn't even reference an investigation. It was a fact finding mission concerning a list.
QUOTE(Senihele @ Oct 1 2006, 08:59 PM)
JDogg, I don't think anyone has suggested this shouldn't be investigated.
IVEATCH's post didn't even reference an investigation. It was a fact finding mission concerning a list.
I know. I have seen IVEATCH's responses to be very fair. There have been some on here today that have not been calling for an investigation. There are some that are digging up old 1973 cases of Democratic corruption as if they are relevant in any way to the current situation. There was even the "Kennedy OWI" issue brought up for some defense. But I'm aware that you and IVE were not making any apologies. I have just been trying to reiterate that it is really Republicans that need to pressure their party to investigate this FULLY. The Democrats will be united, so my letters will do little but to put a boot in their ass. Republicans need to fear that they will lose this election if they don't allow an up and down vote for a FULL investigation.
QUOTE(Rayosun @ Oct 1 2006, 06:22 PM)
[ I have no idea why some of the words below appear huge, as I only wanted to make them bold.]
My fellow Liberals, don't fall for this GOP trick of IVEATCH's!!!
Altogether too often, Republican Conservatives like him try to hold Liberals and Democrats to infinitely higher standards than theirs. We do indeed have much higher standards of truth and morality than they do. But we have to discerning as to when and how to apply those standards. If we think that we can't say anything until we have a peer-reviewed doctoral thesis proving it the only time we will ever say anything is ten years after it's relevant and nobody cares any longer.
Maybe some of you remember when Susan Smith, the young mother who drowned her two young boys in a lake in South Carolina lake in 1995 and then claimed that the children had been abducted by a black man. That was bad enough, but when it came out that she was the one responsible for their deaths, the leading national spokesman for the Republican Party at the time, Newt Gingrich, immediately attributed the murder to the welfare policies instituted and administered over the years by the immoral Democratic Party.
It turns out that if any political party had anything to do with these murders, it would have to be the Republican Party, and the Religious Right, as Beverly Russell, was a Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader who admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter, the Susan Smith, lasting several years.
If you spend enough time on the SCORES of examples of Republican corruption on my web site, I'm sure that you can find a flaw here and there. But you will also find that much MORE of it is true, more than enough to show that the if there are people in this country who live in glass houses, and who shouldn't be throwing stones at Democrats, it is Republicans.
IVEATCH,
What have you ever written in public about scholarship of Ann Coulter's best sellling book about Liberals and Democrats being godless?
Reasonable questions, Rayosun. I'll try my best.
First off, you have some, not many, but some corrections to make on your website. I'll give you one example, Mister Andrew Buhr is a gay Republican. He found someone sitting in the bar of the establishment that he visited, sitting there drink in hand and smoking. He seemed to know several of the patrons. It is true that Mister Buhr had a subsequent 'twenty minute interaction' with the guy he met at the bar. Turned out that the 32 year old Mister Buhr had just had an willing interaction with a 14 year old. He was put on trial for this and a jury of his peers found him innocent of the charges. You list the charge. Be fair..... list the acquital!
There are a couple of others as well. Look at what I wrote in the previous post. You'll find them.
I do not blame you for this or think that you've listed such misrepresentations on purpose, Rayosun. I put the blame squarely where it belongs...... its that damned cut and paste. You get a half a million bloggers cutting and pasting things twenty times and you can quickly get 10 million of anything for search hits.
I am not trying to hold Democrats to any higher standard then Republicans. The same standard is fine, thank you. I will grant that having a wing of the party that professes high moral values makes it a little tough on the rest of us 'mortals' its just the lay of the land. I can't change that.
It is interesting that you mention the human tragedy of Ms. Susan Smith. I cannot even imagine, in my widest nightmares, strapping my children into a car and rolling it into a lake. My GOD man, the horror. SHE IS IN HER OWN PRIVATE HELL. Read the words of her stepfather..... He testified at the sentencing portion of his stepdaughter's trail..... I think he wanted to spare her the death penalty when he said, "you don't have all the quilt in this tragedy". I don't want to write about this anymore!!!!!
I've spent a good portion of the day looking at tragedy and human wickedness and depravity. I have not even bothered to research anything along the lines of Democrats & Corruption. Frankly I'm sick of the whole mess.
Bottom line, we're ALL living in the same glass house...... Lets try not to break the windows.
Best Regards,
QUOTE(Senihele @ Oct 1 2006, 09:28 PM)
What trick??? Exploring the charges more thoroughly?
The "trick" I refer to is not "Exploring the charges more thoroughly". I welcome all the scrutiny in the world if it is truly "fair and balanced". But in case you hadn't noticed, the Republican version of fair in balanced leaves something to be desired. President Clinton was condemned by many for asking Chris Wallace if he was being fair asking him as the former president questions which he should have asked of the current administration. Wallace and lied through his teeth, claiming that he had, a lie easily demonstrated by the historical record. The "trick" I am telling Liberals not to fall for is the "double standard" trick which Clinton showed us how to avoid when he demanded that Republicans not be allowed to slough off tons of corruption, while Democrats are condemned for infinitely less offenses (genuine though they may be).
QUOTE(Rayosun @ Oct 1 2006, 10:29 PM)
The "trick" I refer to is not "Exploring the charges more thoroughly". I welcome all the scrutiny in the world if it is truly "fair and balanced". But in case you hadn't noticed, the Republican version of fair in balanced leaves something to be desired. President Clinton was condemned by many for asking Chris Wallace if he was being fair asking him as the former president questions which he should have asked of the current administration. Wallace and lied through his teeth, claiming that he had, a lie easily demonstrated by the historical record.
The "trick" I am telling Liberals not to fall for is the "double standard" trick which Clinton showed us how to avoid when he demanded that Republicans not be allowed to slough off tons of corruption, while Democrats are condemned for infinitely less offenses (genuine though they may be).
And how did IVEATCH's post come anywhere near any of this?
QUOTE(Rayosun @ Oct 1 2006, 07:29 PM)
The "trick" I am telling Liberals not to fall for is the "double standard" trick which Clinton showed us how to avoid when he demanded that Republicans not be allowed to slough off tons of corruption, while Democrats are condemned for infinitely less offenses (genuine though they may be).
Be very careful about this, Rayosun. I'm not going to take the time to make a Democratic S#!T list. Its been done already with varying degrees of fairness. I'm sure that there out there. Truth be told, I don't care.
It is interesting. Of all the hundreds of websites I looked at today that listed 'Republicans & Corruption' I only found a few that would only list hard convictions under the assumption of innocent until proven quilty.
I did stumble accross one gem at the Washington Post website. Mister Ken Rudin writes about 21 case studies from both sides of the political aisle where (in most cases) Congress took little or no action in policing their own....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/polit...on/congress.htm
The shear beauty of it is that the list includes members of both parties.....
WHAT A CONCEPT!
Best Regards,
QUOTE(IVEATCH @ Oct 1 2006, 07:56 PM)
Be very careful about this, Rayosun. I'm not going to take the time to make a Democratic S#!T list. Its been done already with varying degrees of fairness. I'm sure that there out there. Truth be told, I don't care.
It is interesting. Of all the hundreds of websites I looked at today that listed 'Republicans & Corruption' I only found a few that would only list hard convictions under the assumption of innocent until proven quilty.
I did stumble accross one gem at the Washington Post website. Mister Ken Rudin writes about 21 case studies from both sides of the political aisle where (in most cases) Congress took little or no action in policing their own....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/polit...on/congress.htm
The shear beauty of it is that the list includes members of both parties.....
WHAT A CONCEPT!
Best Regards,
Wel,
I think that anybody that tries to advocate that the subject of a child rapist is a strictly partisan issue........ is almost a STUPID as someone that tries to defend the republican party by attacking democrats on this issue.
IVE.... I usually enjoy your arguments.... but you are straight up wrong on this one.
IVE.... you know where I stand.
If the premise is to take this incident and condemn all republicans as evil then IVEATCH's call for examining both parties is justified. If the purpose is to call for acountability from Foley as well as the republican leaders who knew about his actions and attempted to sweep them under the rug, then I doubt IVEATCH or anyone else will disagree this needs to be done. Too often, however, a wide brush is used.
QUOTE(kempster @ Oct 1 2006, 08:07 PM)
Wel,
I think that anybody that tries to advocate that the subject of a child rapist is a strictly partisan issue........ is almost a STUPID as someone that tries to defend the republican party by attacking democrats on this issue.
IVE.... I usually enjoy your arguments.... but you are straight up wrong on this one.
IVE.... you know where I stand.
Thank you kempster, you've always been fair.
For the Record, I condemn to #E!! ALL Pedophiles, period. I'm Secular so I don't have to play this 'their're redeemable Souls' routine.
Child rape is not a partisan issue.
Maybe I have made some statement somewhere to make you assume that I'm trying to say something along the lines of 'well Democrats are Pedophiles too'. If so then I apologize for any misunderstanding.
Peds come in all stripes, sizes and shapes. You can't pick them out on the street. The fact that one happens to be of one political party or another is irrelevent.
Republicans have a challenge before us in dealing with the issues raised by Congressman Foley and our Leadership's response to it. Lets see what they do.
Best Regards,
QUOTE(IVEATCH @ Oct 1 2006, 10:56 PM)
Be very careful about this, Rayosun. I'm not going to take the time to make a Democratic S#!T list. Its been done already with varying degrees of fairness. I'm sure that there out there. Truth be told, I don't care.
It is interesting. Of all the hundreds of websites I looked at today that listed 'Republicans & Corruption' I only found a few that would only list hard convictions under the assumption of innocent until proven quilty.
I did stumble accross one gem at the Washington Post website. Mister Ken Rudin writes about 21 case studies from both sides of the political aisle where (in most cases) Congress took little or no action in policing their own....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/polit...on/congress.htm
The shear beauty of it is that the list includes members of both parties.....
WHAT A CONCEPT!
Best Regards,
Maybe the fairer viewpoint is the power angle rather than the party angle. Can we forget the fun with Elizabeth Ray (who bombed as a singer) among many other follies in the firmly D Congress many moons ago? Even so, the D's don't engage in the sanctimonious moralizing that the R's do (and don't count Lieberman as a D either).
QUOTE(David Steele @ Oct 2 2006, 06:38 PM)
Maybe the fairer viewpoint is the power angle rather than the party angle. Can we forget the fun with Elizabeth Ray (who bombed as a singer) among many other follies in the firmly D Congress many moons ago? Even so, the D's don't engage in the sanctimonious moralizing that the R's do (and don't count Lieberman as a D either).
Democrats, the party of caring and tolerance, don't engage in sanctimonious moralizing? That's rich.
Speaking of rich, funny how there are very few poor politicians inside the Beltway. Ever wonder about that?
Curiously, people in "red states" give more sacrificially to charity.
At least you're picking up on the power aspect, which is precisely why I'm politically an independent.
Chip
QUOTE(Chip @ Oct 2 2006, 07:48 PM)
Democrats, the party of caring and tolerance, don't engage in sanctimonious moralizing? That's rich.
Speaking of rich, funny how there are very few poor politicians inside the Beltway. Ever wonder about that?
Curiously, people in "red states" give more sacrificially to charity.
At least you're picking up on the power aspect, which is precisely why I'm politically an independent.
Chip
Chip. I am wondering how you figure that people in Red states give more to charity. Not that I really believe in the whole "red state/blue state". But I live in a very "blue" area. And every single person I know and speak to is involved some way in helping others.
Just curious.
QUOTE(David Steele @ Oct 2 2006, 04:38 PM)
Maybe the fairer viewpoint is the power angle rather than the party angle. Can we forget the fun with Elizabeth Ray (who bombed as a singer) among many other follies in the firmly D Congress many moons ago? Even so, the D's don't engage in the sanctimonious moralizing that the R's do (and don't count Lieberman as a D either).
Most excellent reply, Mister Steel.
I have to agree that the Republican party does have the sanctimonious religious morals end of things pretty much firmly in our court. This does not mean that the Democratic party is without Dogma of their own, however.
Truth be told, we Republicans gleefully pull the same crap. We write books about Barbara Streisand's air conditioned Garage that is purported bigger than Nasa's Shuttle Prelaunch Prep Building. How the Kennedy family purportedly has more tax shelters than there are people in New York who have half a mind to write a book (and usually do).
Groucho Marx' quotes aside, pointing out contradictions between a political parties code of tenets and their actions is about the oldest trick in the book. I'm sure that Julius Caesar got his far share of crap for crossing the Rubicon River by local Wags, at least initially.
Best Regards,
QUOTE(Velveeta Jones @ Oct 2 2006, 07:52 PM)
Chip. I am wondering how you figure that people in Red states give more to charity. Not that I really believe in the whole "red state/blue state". But I live in a very "blue" area. And every single person I know and speak to is involved some way in helping others.
Just curious.
This is one where it has to be backed up. Maybe it's by a percentage of income, but Chip really needs to provide a link to the data to support that assertion.
QUOTE(Velveeta Jones @ Oct 2 2006, 06:52 PM)
Chip. I am wondering how you figure that people in Red states give more to charity. Not that I really believe in the whole "red state/blue state". But I live in a very "blue" area. And every single person I know and speak to is involved some way in helping others.
Just curious.
My statement was that people in "red states" give more sacrificially, i.e. they give a higher percentage of their income to charity.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-1...te-giving_x.htm
We're in a blue state, too, but do our best to buck the trend.
Chip
QUOTE(Chip @ Oct 2 2006, 08:20 PM)
My statement was that people in "red states" give more sacrificially, i.e. they give a higher percentage of their income to charity.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-1...te-giving_x.htm
We're in a blue state, too, but do our best to buck the trend.
Chip
Thanks for the backup. I was surprised to see Miss. and Ark. are in the 1 & 2 spot and probably in the top 10 of poorest states! I could be wrong though.
QUOTE(IVEATCH @ Oct 2 2006, 08:01 PM)
Most excellent reply, Mister Steel.
I have to agree that the Republican party does have the sanctimonious religious morals end of things pretty much firmly in our court. This does not mean that the Democratic party is without Dogma of their own, however.
Truth be told, we Republicans gleefully pull the same crap. We write books about Barbara Streisand's air conditioned Garage that is purported bigger than Nasa's Shuttle Prelaunch Prep Building. How the Kennedy family purportedly has more tax shelters than there are people in New York who have half a mind to write a book (and usually do).
Groucho Marx' quotes aside, pointing out contradictions between a political parties code of tenets and their actions is about the oldest trick in the book. I'm sure that Julius Caesar got his far share of crap for crossing the Rubicon River by local Wags, at least initially.
Best Regards,
Dogma with the D's. Yep, just go to Berkeley or Santa Cruz, and you'll see it even now. It wasn't all that long ago that "political correctness" was the vogue, and no one can say THAT was a GOP idea with a straight face.
Of course, Caesar ended up as a knife block.
QUOTE(Chip @ Oct 2 2006, 07:20 PM)
My statement was that people in "red states" give more sacrificially, i.e. they give a higher percentage of their income to charity.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-1...te-giving_x.htm
We're in a blue state, too, but do our best to buck the trend.
Chip
Note that it's deducted income that's measured, so ALL giving to churches is included.
Sorry, but money for a clubhouse for a private concern, i.e. a church, doesn't make it as charitable giving in my book.
Church giving skews the numbers so that they mean nothing. Only the portion of church giving that goes to actual charity-type purposes should be counted, not the cost of building and running the church, and evangelizing costs.
GoU
QUOTE(Chip @ Oct 2 2006, 08:20 PM)
My statement was that people in "red states" give more sacrificially, i.e. they give a higher percentage of their income to charity.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-1...te-giving_x.htm
We're in a blue state, too, but do our best to buck the trend.
Chip
Thanks, Chip.
QUOTE(gounion @ Oct 2 2006, 08:51 PM)
Church giving skews the numbers so that they mean nothing. Only the portion of church giving that goes to actual charity-type purposes should be counted, not the cost of building and running the church, and evangelizing costs.
Agreed. I can't deduct the money given to a museum for restoring old locomotives, so why should the full amount of a church collection count?
QUOTE(AmtrakMatt @ Oct 2 2006, 09:10 PM)
Agreed. I can't deduct the money given to a museum for restoring old locomotives, so why should the full amount of a church collection count?
None of this refutes my assertion that people in red states are more generous in their giving to charity.
I believe historical societies are valid 501©(3) charities. In fact, here is a railroad-related one in Oregon.
http://www.trainweb.org/oerhs/oerhs.htm
Chip
QUOTE(Chip @ Oct 2 2006, 09:23 PM)
None of this refutes my assertion that people in red states are more generous in their giving to charity.
I believe historical societies are valid 501©(3) charities. In fact, here is a railroad-related one in Oregon.
http://www.trainweb.org/oerhs/oerhs.htm
Chip
Giving to your church to basically build a clubhouse isn't charity. It's a frat.
Giving to churches is much heavier in the south, I'll give that to you. But until you show me something like the state-by-state numbers of the American Cancer Society, I'm not buying that the red states give to charity more. It's another conservative Big Lie that fall apart under the slightest reality check.
GoU
QUOTE(queteimporta @ Oct 1 2006, 11:07 AM)
Republicans have no monopoly on debauchery, dishonesty, thievery, or any other vice. That assumes that debauchery is a vice----I'd rather think of it as boy's night out. Democrats have no qualms about criticizing their own when the rules are broken. Republicans join rank and defend, deny and make excuses.
How funny ? It seems to me that rep resign and Dems get the party backing to run again!
QUOTE(gounion @ Oct 2 2006, 09:37 PM)
Giving to your church to basically build a clubhouse isn't charity. It's a frat.
Giving to churches is much heavier in the south, I'll give that to you. But until you show me something like the state-by-state numbers of the American Cancer Society, I'm not buying that the red states give to charity more. It's another conservative Big Lie that fall apart under the slightest reality check.
GoU
Churches are perfectly valid charities which serve the greater communities in which they are located, not only their own members.
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Chip
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Oct 2 2006, 09:43 PM)
How funny ? It seems to me that rep resign and Dems get the party backing to run again!
Keep on track. We're talking about this century, Mr. Pop, not 20+ years ago.
BTW, the rep didn't resign. Don't lie. He not only didn't resign, he ran for re-election, though he was defeated in the primary.
Lying doesn't make you any more credible, pop.
GoU
QUOTE(gounion @ Oct 2 2006, 07:47 PM)
Keep on track. We're talking about this century, Mr. Pop, not 20+ years ago.
BTW, the rep didn't resign. Don't lie. He not only didn't resign, he ran for re-election, though he was defeated in the primary.
Lying doesn't make you any more credible, pop.
GoU
Never let it be said that Dems only remember the past when it suits them like Nixon, and I remember seeing today a long list of so called rep criminals that goes a little farther back than 6 years, but what the heck. By the way was Sandy the Bugler this century or last?
QUOTE(Chip @ Oct 2 2006, 09:45 PM)
Churches are perfectly valid charities which serve the greater communities in which they are located, not only their own members.
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Chip
I don't have any problem with churches, but a lot of what they do is just provide a CLUB for people, and isn't charitable. Building a church that the members own isn't the same as giving money to cure cancer or feed the poor. I agree churches do feed the poor, but only that portion of their contributions should be considered "charitable".
I've seen that "Chrystal Cathedrial". The money spent to build that isn't charitable giving.
Stop the personal attacks, as you've agreed to do.
GoU
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Oct 2 2006, 09:51 PM)
Never let it be said that Dems only remember the past when it suits them like Nixon, and I remember seeing today a long list of so called rep criminals that goes a little farther back than 6 years, but what the heck. By the way was Sandy the Bugler this century or last?
You won't even admit you lied, will you?
GoU
QUOTE(gounion @ Oct 2 2006, 07:52 PM)
You won't even admit you lied, will you?
GoU
What are you talking about now?
QUOTE(gounion @ Oct 2 2006, 09:51 PM)
I don't have any problem with churches, but a lot of what they do is just provide a CLUB for people, and isn't charitable. Building a church that the members own isn't the same as giving money to cure cancer or feed the poor. I agree churches do feed the poor, but only that portion of their contributions should be considered "charitable".
I've seen that "Chrystal Cathedrial". The money spent to build that isn't charitable giving.
Stop the personal attacks, as you've agreed to do.
GoU
Churches are not "clubs." You're entitled to your opinions, but I have the full weight of the IRS and courts behind my statements. And the Crystal Cathedral is not representative of churches in America.
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Since I know how much you depend on it, you can have the last word.
Chip
QUOTE(Chip @ Oct 2 2006, 09:59 PM)
Churches are not "clubs." You're entitled to your opinions, but I have the full weight of the IRS and courts behind my statements. And the Crystal Cathedral is not representative of churches in America.
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Since I know how much you depend on it, you can have the last word.
Chip
No problem. Then I'll readily admit that the red states spend give more money to their churches than the blue states. Unless given clear evidence to the contrary, they don't give more money to actual charities than blue states.
GoU
QUOTE(gounion @ Oct 2 2006, 10:11 PM)
No problem. Then I'll readily admit that the red states spend give more money to their churches than the blue states. Unless given clear evidence to the contrary, they don't give more money to actual charities than blue states.
GoU
Since churches are actual 501[c][3] charities in the eyes of the law, you don't really have a point.
Chip
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Oct 2 2006, 09:59 PM)
What are you talking about now?
Post #40 - you said the rep resigned, which you are talking about Dan Crane and Gerry Studds.
Crane DID NOT resign, he ran for re-election, only to lose in the primary. You know that.
GoU
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