I listened until the end of the interview. Good conversation.
Typical evangelical thinking.
None of the rhetoric that the Lefties on this forum have accused her of.
Thanks for the objectivity.
Full Version: Thanks for having Becky Fisher on the air
QUOTE(RockAndRollLullaby @ Sep 19 2006, 04:51 PM) 
I listened until the end of the interview. Good conversation.
Typical evangelical thinking.
None of the rhetoric that the Lefties on this forum have accused her of.
Thanks for the objectivity.
Straw Man!
I've accused her of nothing. I simply gave direct quotes from the movie trailer.
GoU
QUOTE(gounion @ Sep 19 2006, 03:55 PM)
Straw Man!
I've accused her of nothing. I simply gave direct quotes from the movie trailer.
GoU
Just listen to the interview.
Sheesh. You're getting desperate. Give it a break.
The interview helped a lot. Mister Schultz did an excellent job. Judging a movie/film/documentary/MockUDrama from a trailer alone is tough. They either show all the cool things and ruin the movie experience or they show the wrong things and its not what you expected.
Best,
Best Regards,
Best,
Best Regards,
QUOTE(RockAndRollLullaby @ Sep 19 2006, 06:36 PM)
Just listen to the interview.
Sheesh. You're getting desperate. Give it a break.
Sorry, the interview isn't on the site, or I would definitely listen to it.
And I have yet to lie, unlike yourself.
GoU
QUOTE(gounion @ Sep 19 2006, 05:56 PM)
Sorry, the interview isn't on the site, or I would definitely listen to it.
And I have yet to lie, unlike yourself.
GoU
Listen to it.
Then your apology will be graciously accepted.
QUOTE(RockAndRollLullaby @ Sep 19 2006, 09:01 PM)
Listen to it.
Then your apology will be graciously accepted.
When do I get my apology for your lies that I called them Nazis?
And I've got her quote, straight from her mouth. You deny that. Did God tell you to lie?
GoU
Just heard the interview, it's on Ed's site. She's trying to deny what she's said, and her militaristic camp.
Her clarifications are doubletalk. You don't talk about Armies, soldiers of God, and have militarism without having violent aims. She flat-out said she wanted for children to be raised die for the gospel.
It's a fact that she's a Dominionist, something that you say you disagree with. She wants to raise these kids to take over our government for Christ.
A prayer conference in CAMMO???
How sick is that?
He wants a yes or no answer - Is she pushing a political agenda on the kids?
She is flat-out lying. It's easy to see, even from the short time, that they are pushing a dominionist political ideology onto those children.
Once again, this is brainwashing and a horrible indoctrination. These are the type of people that breed the people that bomb abortion facilities. She's trying to back off of the horrible things she has said.
RRL, you told me you have no truck with Dominionists. You know full well that's what she is and that's what her camp does. Are you lying to me about this, too?
No apology, I was right about her.
GoU
Her clarifications are doubletalk. You don't talk about Armies, soldiers of God, and have militarism without having violent aims. She flat-out said she wanted for children to be raised die for the gospel.
It's a fact that she's a Dominionist, something that you say you disagree with. She wants to raise these kids to take over our government for Christ.
A prayer conference in CAMMO???
How sick is that?
He wants a yes or no answer - Is she pushing a political agenda on the kids?
She is flat-out lying. It's easy to see, even from the short time, that they are pushing a dominionist political ideology onto those children.
Once again, this is brainwashing and a horrible indoctrination. These are the type of people that breed the people that bomb abortion facilities. She's trying to back off of the horrible things she has said.
RRL, you told me you have no truck with Dominionists. You know full well that's what she is and that's what her camp does. Are you lying to me about this, too?
No apology, I was right about her.
GoU
RRLB,
Just out of curiosity, I don't know if you have children, but if you do (or plan to), would you send your children to her camp? Why, or why not?
Just a few reflections on Rev. Becky Fischer's interview with Ed. (And yes Ed, you blew it not asking if they would have been praying for an image of Clinton or Kerry - because I am aware of pastors who have pictures of 'w' in their offices but would not honor a Democrat in like fashion)
Why does she feel it necessary to compete with the 'mentoring' of the young by the Islamic clerics/teachers?
She said something to the effect of take our children as seriously as those of Islam? At 4-5 yrs. of age? Why?
Let's be honest...what can be taught to anyone as young as that? What are their critical faculties?
Why is it necessary to compete with Islam on this level? Are we afraid our children won't be able to think for themselves and accept or reject Islam (or Christianity for that matter) based on what it promulgates? I fear for the Christian faith that we need to compete with Islam and use their methods of 'instruction'.
Most mainstream Christians would not allow their children to be subjected to this sort of indoctrination.
Fischer did acknowledge that this was indeed 'intense training'. I would say so! I have taught a lot of young people, Sunday school or weekend retreats, summer christian camp, never have I experienced anything that would come close to this phenomenon. Tears and confessions and witness yes but not group reaction.
She also admitted this was not ordinary. Sunday mornings at her church she maintained would not be so emotion filled. She spoke of the kids coming were 'expecting something'...yet she maintained that the children were just sitting in the presence of God and had a true spiritual experience. Seems like a self-fullfilling prophecy to me. And amidst the peer pressure of a group centered on faith experiences you better start emoting tears or you would be odd man (child) out.
The bit about the kids laying their hands on the cardboard image of 'resident' bush - was interesting to say the least. Whether they were bowing down or as she described it reaching over the kids in front...I'll reserve judgment until I view the film. To bless in the Christian experience assumes that the one blessed is a part of the 'family' be it Abraham being blessed by God himself, Isaac blessing his sons, or St. Paul blessing the recipients of his epistolary efforts...and lest I forget, blessings were also placed upon sacred objects as in the Eucharist (Holy Communion). So a very intimate and sacred act. Conveying spiritual power to the blessee.
I am uncomfortable with what is going on here.
Did these children just happen to want to bless 'w'. Why didn't some of them want to bless Jimmy Carter say, why wasn't a cardboard effigy of Jimmy handy? He really was an 'evangelical'. Sure was handy tht 'w' just happened to be available in cardboard while they were just sitting aroud having extemporaneous spiritual experiences. You would think some of thes children would be recognizing personal struggles with sin and the malevolent effects it might be having on their lives...but no they are way beyond personal growth and into supreme court politics! But it just happened!
The Lord works in mysterious ways...........even with the kids at Devil's Lake? We just may want to "test the spirits" as the Good Book suggests.
Why does she feel it necessary to compete with the 'mentoring' of the young by the Islamic clerics/teachers?
She said something to the effect of take our children as seriously as those of Islam? At 4-5 yrs. of age? Why?
Let's be honest...what can be taught to anyone as young as that? What are their critical faculties?
Why is it necessary to compete with Islam on this level? Are we afraid our children won't be able to think for themselves and accept or reject Islam (or Christianity for that matter) based on what it promulgates? I fear for the Christian faith that we need to compete with Islam and use their methods of 'instruction'.
Most mainstream Christians would not allow their children to be subjected to this sort of indoctrination.
Fischer did acknowledge that this was indeed 'intense training'. I would say so! I have taught a lot of young people, Sunday school or weekend retreats, summer christian camp, never have I experienced anything that would come close to this phenomenon. Tears and confessions and witness yes but not group reaction.
She also admitted this was not ordinary. Sunday mornings at her church she maintained would not be so emotion filled. She spoke of the kids coming were 'expecting something'...yet she maintained that the children were just sitting in the presence of God and had a true spiritual experience. Seems like a self-fullfilling prophecy to me. And amidst the peer pressure of a group centered on faith experiences you better start emoting tears or you would be odd man (child) out.
The bit about the kids laying their hands on the cardboard image of 'resident' bush - was interesting to say the least. Whether they were bowing down or as she described it reaching over the kids in front...I'll reserve judgment until I view the film. To bless in the Christian experience assumes that the one blessed is a part of the 'family' be it Abraham being blessed by God himself, Isaac blessing his sons, or St. Paul blessing the recipients of his epistolary efforts...and lest I forget, blessings were also placed upon sacred objects as in the Eucharist (Holy Communion). So a very intimate and sacred act. Conveying spiritual power to the blessee.
I am uncomfortable with what is going on here.
Did these children just happen to want to bless 'w'. Why didn't some of them want to bless Jimmy Carter say, why wasn't a cardboard effigy of Jimmy handy? He really was an 'evangelical'. Sure was handy tht 'w' just happened to be available in cardboard while they were just sitting aroud having extemporaneous spiritual experiences. You would think some of thes children would be recognizing personal struggles with sin and the malevolent effects it might be having on their lives...but no they are way beyond personal growth and into supreme court politics! But it just happened!
The Lord works in mysterious ways...........even with the kids at Devil's Lake? We just may want to "test the spirits" as the Good Book suggests.
Great post, and great questions, Richard.
GoU
GoU
QUOTE(gounion @ Sep 19 2006, 11:23 PM)
Great post, and great questions, Richard.
GoU
Please call me Ric, just don't confuse me with the guy with the Mickey Mouse ears avatar....
QUOTE(richard maxson @ Sep 19 2006, 10:33 PM)
Please call me Ric, just don't confuse me with the guy with the Mickey Mouse ears avatar....
You'll never be mistaken for him, Ric. There was more to this post, but I thought better of it...
GoU
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QUOTE(gounion @ Sep 19 2006, 09:17 PM)
Just heard the interview, it's on Ed's site. She's trying to deny what she's said, and her militaristic camp.
Her clarifications are doubletalk. You don't talk about Armies, soldiers of God, and have militarism without having violent aims. She flat-out said she wanted for children to be raised die for the gospel.
It's a fact that she's a Dominionist, something that you say you disagree with. She wants to raise these kids to take over our government for Christ.
A prayer conference in CAMMO???
How sick is that?
He wants a yes or no answer - Is she pushing a political agenda on the kids?
She is flat-out lying. It's easy to see, even from the short time, that they are pushing a dominionist political ideology onto those children.
Once again, this is brainwashing and a horrible indoctrination. These are the type of people that breed the people that bomb abortion facilities. She's trying to back off of the horrible things she has said.
RRL, you told me you have no truck with Dominionists. You know full well that's what she is and that's what her camp does. Are you lying to me about this, too?
No apology, I was right about her.
GoU
I only heard a little of the interview, and my modem is slow, so I can't really listen from Ed's site. But one thing I did hear struck me as SICK -- telling little children that in Pakistan and places over there in their churches they are giving the children bombs and teaching them to take them out and blow people up. Or something to that effect. All I could think was why in hell would you tell little kids THAT?! It sounded like a comparison, like something to emulate or something to justify her militant approach to Christianity -- we must be prepared for the killer Muslim children by training some killer Christian children.
I hate this kind of thing and I frankly think that her whole operation and any others like it should be investigated for child abuse. What she is doing doesn't represent American Christian values (to use a term I don't really understand 
) and it CERTAINLY doesn't represent a secular, or non-Christian America either...
QUOTE(RockAndRollLullaby @ Sep 19 2006, 04:51 PM)
Typical evangelical thinking.
She is a Dominionist. I'm surprised that you call it "typical evangelical thinking". I guess the stuff about Dominionists being a small, inconsequential minority was a coverup and lie. The Dominionists are in control of the right-wing evangelicals.
GoU
QUOTE(prairiemermaid @ Sep 19 2006, 11:19 PM)
I only heard a little of the interview, and my modem is slow, so I can't really listen from Ed's site. But one thing I did hear struck me as SICK -- telling little children that in Pakistan and places over there in their churches they are giving the children bombs and teaching them to take them out and blow people up. Or something to that effect. All I could think was why in hell would you tell little kids THAT?!
Maybe because it's true?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1446003.stm
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It sounded like a comparison, like something to emulate or something to justify her militant approach to Christianity -- we must be prepared for the killer Muslim children by training some killer Christian children.
I hate this kind of thing and I frankly think that her whole operation and any others like it should be investigated for child abuse. What she is doing doesn't represent American Christian values (to use a term I don't really understand ) and it CERTAINLY doesn't represent a secular, or non-Christian America either...Although the biblical texts have undoubtedly been coopted over the centuries by some with less than noble purposes, distorted through selective and/or literal interpretations, what you heard from Pastor Fischer was a good primer on the orthodox understanding of the "Christian soldier" symbolism used in the New Testament, for example Chapter 6 of Ephesians. In historical context, the Holy Land was occupied by Rome when the Apostle Paul wrote these words, so such references are not unusual at all. Nowadays when the kids are encouraged to "put on the armor of God" at bible camp, of course the understanding is they are not being trained to literally kill people.
Chip
I've seen the violence of the anti-abortion right up close and personal. It's not symbolic, it's real.
If you're not teaching kids to be violent, you wouldn't be using cammo paint and militaristic talk. It's that simple. It's like the Christian "blow-em-away" video games they're putting out now, eh?
All symbolic, nothing to see here?
Nope, I'm not buying it. They are using violence. They want kids that will do anything they want them to do. This is very frightening, and remember what the guy in the film said - "Democracy will destroy us".
GoU
If you're not teaching kids to be violent, you wouldn't be using cammo paint and militaristic talk. It's that simple. It's like the Christian "blow-em-away" video games they're putting out now, eh?
All symbolic, nothing to see here?
Nope, I'm not buying it. They are using violence. They want kids that will do anything they want them to do. This is very frightening, and remember what the guy in the film said - "Democracy will destroy us".
GoU
QUOTE(Chip @ Sep 20 2006, 07:43 AM)
So is sodomy, sarin gas and child rape and murder by their parents, but we don't tell our kids everything do we..? Part of being a good parent and a good teacher is protecting young children from harsh realities that really don't help them, and may hurt them by creating unnecessary fear and anxiety. What kids are taught in their bible camps on the other side of the world is not a "need to know" fact, and creates fear (of Muslims) and anxiety (about violence in the world). The only reason these facts are revealed in this Christian "Bible camp" is to attempt to foment reciprocal anger and determination in the children being brainwashed there. THAT is irresponsible and abusive, in my opinion.
QUOTE
Although the biblical texts have undoubtedly been coopted over the centuries by some with less than noble purposes, distorted through selective and/or literal interpretations, what you heard from Pastor Fischer was a good primer on the orthodox understanding of the "Christian soldier" symbolism used in the New Testament, for example Chapter 6 of Ephesians. In historical context, the Holy Land was occupied by Rome when the Apostle Paul wrote these words, so such references are not unusual at all. Nowadays when the kids are encouraged to "put on the armor of God" at bible camp, of course the understanding is they are not being trained to literally kill people.
Chip
I don't think we can assume that in the context of this particular bible camp. The teacher is using REAL LIFE MUSLIM VIOLENCE as teaching tools along with, what is USUALLY interpreted as metaphorical CHRISTIAN VIOLENCE in the scriptures (though we know historically it was real)...to accomplish WHAT? To teach these children about the LINK between metaphorical biblical teachings and the ACTING OUT of those teachings. They too can kill for their god -- how wonderful!
QUOTE(richard maxson @ Sep 19 2006, 10:20 PM)
Just a few reflections on Rev. Becky Fischer's interview with Ed. (And yes Ed, you blew it not asking if they would have been praying for an image of Clinton or Kerry - because I am aware of pastors who have pictures of 'w' in their offices but would not honor a Democrat in like fashion)
Why does she feel it necessary to compete with the 'mentoring' of the young by the Islamic clerics/teachers?
She said something to the effect of take our children as seriously as those of Islam? At 4-5 yrs. of age? Why?
Let's be honest...what can be taught to anyone as young as that? What are their critical faculties?
Why is it necessary to compete with Islam on this level? Are we afraid our children won't be able to think for themselves and accept or reject Islam (or Christianity for that matter) based on what it promulgates? I fear for the Christian faith that we need to compete with Islam and use their methods of 'instruction'.
Most mainstream Christians would not allow their children to be subjected to this sort of indoctrination.
Fischer did acknowledge that this was indeed 'intense training'. I would say so! I have taught a lot of young people, Sunday school or weekend retreats, summer christian camp, never have I experienced anything that would come close to this phenomenon. Tears and confessions and witness yes but not group reaction.
She also admitted this was not ordinary. Sunday mornings at her church she maintained would not be so emotion filled. She spoke of the kids coming were 'expecting something'...yet she maintained that the children were just sitting in the presence of God and had a true spiritual experience. Seems like a self-fullfilling prophecy to me. And amidst the peer pressure of a group centered on faith experiences you better start emoting tears or you would be odd man (child) out.
The bit about the kids laying their hands on the cardboard image of 'resident' bush - was interesting to say the least. Whether they were bowing down or as she described it reaching over the kids in front...I'll reserve judgment until I view the film. To bless in the Christian experience assumes that the one blessed is a part of the 'family' be it Abraham being blessed by God himself, Isaac blessing his sons, or St. Paul blessing the recipients of his epistolary efforts...and lest I forget, blessings were also placed upon sacred objects as in the Eucharist (Holy Communion). So a very intimate and sacred act. Conveying spiritual power to the blessee.
I am uncomfortable with what is going on here.
Did these children just happen to want to bless 'w'. Why didn't some of them want to bless Jimmy Carter say, why wasn't a cardboard effigy of Jimmy handy? He really was an 'evangelical'. Sure was handy tht 'w' just happened to be available in cardboard while they were just sitting aroud having extemporaneous spiritual experiences. You would think some of thes children would be recognizing personal struggles with sin and the malevolent effects it might be having on their lives...but no they are way beyond personal growth and into supreme court politics! But it just happened!
The Lord works in mysterious ways...........even with the kids at Devil's Lake? We just may want to "test the spirits" as the Good Book suggests.
Ric, since none of the people defending this movie has the guts to answer your questions, I've got one for you. Does your church use these militaristic language such as "God's Armor" and "Soldiers of God", and saying "This is War" and "Are you willing to die for Jesus"?
Rock and Roll is saying that's normal, not out of the mainstream of Christianity at all. Can you shed some light on the subject?
GoU
QUOTE(gounion @ Sep 20 2006, 06:58 PM)
Ric, since none of the people defending this movie has the guts to answer your questions, I've got one for you. Does your church use these militaristic language such as "God's Armor" and "Soldiers of God", and saying "This is War" and "Are you willing to die for Jesus"?
Rock and Roll is saying that's normal, not out of the mainstream of Christianity at all. Can you shed some light on the subject?
GoU
Sorry, got interrupted with a phone call and sent an empty response...I'll admit I'm technically challenged re: blogging.
My answer GoU is that yes, unequivocally, we use that language. The caveat being that we interpret the meaning as 'spiritual' warfare. Bellicose use of this spiritual language has been used intemperately by many religious and political leaders to inflame passions. And to further their own cause or save their ass.
True Christians know that we are going to be knocked around in this world...and amazingly we are told, no commanded to - (Romans 12:14 ff) "Bless those who persecute you: and do not curse them....Repay no one evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all...Beloved, never avenge yourselve, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, 'Vengeance is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord' No, 'if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if thirsty, give him drink; for by doing so you will heap burning coals upon his head.' Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."
And from the lips of Christ himself, "But I say to you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To him who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your cloak do not withhold your coat as well." (Luke 6:27 ff)
I wonder if these are the kind of warriors Becky Fischer envisions?! I hope so, but I think not!
These are hard spiritual truths especially for Christians with any kind of self-esteem, or a healthy sense of fair play, or strong egos. I don't do it well - but on the occasion when I employ these truths in my life and actions...then the spiritual dimension becomes self-evident and I am encouraged to attempt it again and yet again.
I am planning to see 'Jesus Camp' tomorrow and will be posting my reactions if you are interested.......
QUOTE(flowersong @ Sep 20 2006, 12:04 AM)
Richard, I too am very uncomfortable with what is going there. Becky and company really truly believe
what they are doing is what is right. Some churches and families physically beat these beliefs into children.
It's no different than military boot camp except Becky's group do it in a way that they can't get in trouble with the law.
Speaking from personal experience, my siblings and I were forced into "family bible studies" when we
were very young. The focus was that we were bad, we were born sinners and we needed to realize that
and pray for forgiveness, etc. etc. These family bible studies always eneded up with all of us kids crying.
Why ? We didn't understand how we could be so bad and we really didn't understand what we were
supposed to do. We didn't know what the "right" thing was to do. Saying and praying some words so
that we could be forgiven didn't answer our main question of, "what did we do wrong in the first place ?"
I believe some of the kids at Jesus Camp cry just because they don't know what they are SUPPOSED TO DO, or SUPPOSED TO FEEL. There may be some true spiritual awakens in the children, and if true, it is my
opinion, those are the children we don't have to worry about...they won't become "killers for christ".
Their faith or spirituality will continue to evolve and they will eventually see the camp for what it was.
Later, as a teen, AT A CAMP, I was told if I didn't speak in tongues, then I wasn't a Christian. For only
those who have truly been blessed by the holy spirit are truly saved or born again and the sign of that
is the gift of speaking in tongues.
Anyway, I won't share anymore horror stories.....I just agree with what you wrote and have some of
the same concerns.
Flowersong...Thank-you. Sincerely!!!! Your genuiness and willingness to share your background sheds more light on this than the rest of our intellectual insights.
'God is Love' ...'Jesus Loves me this I know' ("Some people physically beat these beliefs into children") What a warped sense of proselytizing these people have. I was fortunate...my folks were loving and caring ...guiding me into the faith at age appropriate times. And I have not strayed from that path ...as the good book says.
Inducing strong guilt feelings in the young who are unable to process those feelings is very damaging in my experience. It almost requires a 'deprogramming'. You have such a splendid sense of practicality and horse sense in regards to things spiritual - that I find myself in total agreement.
Speaking in tongues is for the weaker of the brethren, because it uplifts only the person him/herself. Check out St. Paul on this (1 Cor. 14) It is definitely not a prerequisite of the normal Christian life. I am not a big fan of glossalalia as a modern witness to the faith. However, it is biblical!
Anyway appreciate your frankness. Great post in my opinion.
QUOTE(richard maxson @ Sep 20 2006, 07:31 PM)
Sorry, got interrupted with a phone call and sent an empty response...I'll admit I'm technically challenged re: blogging.
My answer GoU is that yes, unequivocally, we use that language. The caveat being that we interpret the meaning as 'spiritual' warfare. Bellicose use of this spiritual language has been used intemperately by many religious and political leaders to inflame passions. And to further their own cause or save their ass.
True Christians know that we are going to be knocked around in this world...and amazingly we are told, no commanded to - (Romans 12:14 ff) "Bless those who persecute you: and do not curse them....Repay no one evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all...Beloved, never avenge yourselve, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, 'Vengeance is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord' No, 'if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if thirsty, give him drin; for by doing so you will heap burning coals upon his head.' Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."
And from the lips of Christ himself, "But I say to you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To him who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your cloak do not withhold your coat as well." (Luke 6:27 ff)
I wonder if these are the kind of warriors Becky Fischer envisions?! I hope so, but I think not!
These are hard spiritual truths especially for Christians with any kind of self-esteem, or a healthy sense of fair play, or strong egos. I don't do it well - but on the occasion when I employ these truths in my life and actions...then the spiritual dimension becomes self-evident and I am encouraged to attempt it again and yet again.
I am planning to see 'Jesus Camp' tomorrow and will be posting my reactions if you are interested.......
Thanks for bringing so much to the debate, Ric. I really appreciate it.
And yes, I will be very much interested in your take on the movie. I'll have to wait until DVD to see it, to my chagrin. I'm not going to be anywhere near where it's playing...
GoU
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QUOTE(flowersong @ Sep 21 2006, 12:11 AM)
I had a difficult time sleeping after I posted that. It's been a long hard road for me and
difficult to still have relatives in every shade of evangelical. The kids spout off things about
how GWB is the best president of the United States, ever ! They come back with all sorts of
twists if my son disagrees with them, some of which are so shocking I am speechless.
(The families battle among themselves also, as to who is *really* a Christian and who is
truly living a "Christain life.") I want nothing to do with them. The only thing most of them
ever have to do with me anymore is they like to gossip negatively about me occasionally.
I am not worthy of anything more, in their eyes.
I threw away all three of my bibles about eleven years ago. Each were published about
a decade apart and to take one verse and compare each version was mindblowing at
times. What it said in my "King James" was not at all what the other two said. ("The Way"
was one and the other, I don't remember any more)
Most of my "healing" from these childhood experiences came from working with troubled y
outh and juvenile offenders, in residential treatment which I did for about five years. I cannot
disclose cases, but I can tell you that many of the kids I worked with came from various forms
of "Christian" families. Things were done to kids "in the name of Jesus" "in the name of the
Lord". I can't supply links or case numbers to back up what my experience was, but I can tell
you, these kids experienced all types of abuse in the name of Christianity. It was damaging
and the kids would run away from their homes and churches.
We didn't do any deprogramming in treatment. I have no idea how the lives of any of the
kids have turned out...this was many years ago and several states a way. I have often
wondered how they are.
Thank you for the posts and responses. I, like GoU, am very interested in your take
on "Jesus Camp" also.
This is a bump because I wanted to bring flowersong's 2 posts #14 and #24 on this thread into the discussion on the thread I started - 'Jesus Camp is a 'dis'grace'. Someday I will master linking!
Flowersong, you speak from the heart, and very powerfully. When the teachings of christ are used for mind control, or as a justification for abuse, it makes people turn from God. People who come out of the blindness want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. In the end, they seek to find a happy ground in the middle, somewhere between the extremes where they can find the peace in their hearts, and souls; a place where faith can florish without being shadowed by the hurt that was inflicted upon them, or their rebellious self-assertion when they stood up and realized that they had to decide for themselves. This transition was very painful for a close friend of mine. Luckily, she has found peace.
I find it disheartening that the world is still so fearful that we continue to use God, Mohammed, Goddess, Buddha, Christ … as a weapon physically, mentally and spiritually versus a personal and Universal Guide to healing physically, mentally and spiritually … I guess we still have a ways to go ~ peace out.
QUOTE(RockAndRollLullaby @ Sep 19 2006, 09:01 PM)
Listen to it.
Then your apology will be graciously accepted.
Well, Rock n Roll demanded an apology from me after Becky Fisher was on Ed's show. But I think Richard Maxon's review proves conclusively that Becky wasn't being truthful.
Hopefully, given the evidence, RRL will withdraw the demand and join us in denouncing Becky Fisher's camp.
GoU
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