Aside from the fact that diesal fuel was stored there:

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

As for Building 7 and the evidence for Controlled Demolition, lets review the evidence...

What we do have for sure.

1) Fireman saying there was "a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors." "I would say it was probably about a third of it".

2) A laymen officer the fireman was standing next to said, "that building doesn’t look straight." He then says "It didn’t look right".

3) They put a transit on it and afterward were "pretty sure she was going to collapse."

4) They "saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13".

5) Photographic evidence of a fire directly under the penthouse which collapsed first.

6) The penthouse fell first, followed by the rest of the building shortly after.

7) The collapse happened from the bottom.

8) Photographic evidence of large smoke plumes against the back of B7. Plumes of smoke so large you can't see the entire rear of the 47 story office building.

9) Silverstein is not a demolition expert and was talking to a fire fighter and not a demolition expert. Why would he use the word "Pull" to describe the demolition to a fire fighter?

10) Silverstein denies "Pull" means "Controlled demolition". He said it means "Pull" the teams out of the building.

11) Silverstein did not make the decision to "Pull". (Whatever that means) "they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse"

12) Another fire fighter used "Pull" to describe the decision made to get him out of the building.

What we don't have...

1) Clear view of the large hole

2) Number of columns and location of columns taken out by the tower impact

3) Clear view of all the fires seen on the south side

4) Any sign of an actual explosive.

Maybe none of these things by themselves mean anything but together it means there is no case. The person who said "Pull" and started this cascade later clarified. Fireman use the word "Pull" to describe getting out of a building and the person who made the order was not Silverstein according to the same first interview

I keep hearing the mantra that `no steel frame building has ever collapsed from fire alone before this'. That doesn't mean that its impossible. Reminds me of the mantra that `no sitting Vice President has been directly elected President in modern times' when political pundits committed on President Bush 41's chances of election in 1988.

When someone with some honest to God implosion work experience backs this theory, I'll listen. They KNOW how much hard, noisy, dirty, dusty jack hammering weeks of work it takes. They know how much PLANNING it takes. It's a VERY conservative business in regards to playing it safe. Imploding a building from the top down that are even 1/4th of the size of the Twin Towers has NEVER been done. Not even since 9/11. Tell the Implosion planner that they also have to account for a 757 slamming into their rigging and STILL require that it function as designed and they'll just throw up their hands. Far to many variables.

Best Regards,

Add to these the fact that Silverstein was a nobody as far as making decidsions in fire-fighting operations. The fire department contacted him totally as a xcourtesy. They make the decisions as to what is a fight worth fighting and when to just cover exposures. Had silverstein told them to do everything possible to save the building, they would probably have handed him a nozzle and a tube of K-Y Jelly and made a rude suggestion.

No way they would have been able to do a controlled demolition in the environment that the fires had created. No way any explosives I know of would have survived that heat without melting or deflagrating with little if any effect. No way would the fire department have allowed anyone into the building after they had evacuated it.

There is no record anywhere of an explosion strong enough for controlled demolition before the building started to slump. There was not even the typical dust storm at the bottom. The building did not just drop straight down. It sort of folded over on itself. In calculating the speed of the fall, calculate only the time that it took for the top floor to reach the top of the pile as it was measured after the event. Start from the time that the roof starts to kink and the mechanical tower begins moving.

Not free-fall speed.

From the Cooperative Research Website,9/11 comprehensive timeline:


After 10:28 a.m.: Fire Fighters Trying to Extinguish Fires in WTC 7

According to Captain Michael Currid, the sergeant at arms for the Uniformed Fire Officers Association, some time after the collapse of the North Tower, he sees four or five fire companies trying to extinguish fires in Building 7 of the WTC. Someone from the city’s Office of Emergency Management tells him that WTC 7 is in serious danger of collapse. Currid says, “The consensus was that it was basically a lost cause and we should not lose anyone else trying to save it.” Along with some others, he goes inside WTC 7 and yells up the stairwells to the fire fighters, “Drop everything and get out!” [Murphy, 2002, pp. 175-176] Although Currid doesn’t say exactly at what time this occurs, it is later reported that at 12:10 to 12:15 p.m. fire fighters find individuals inside the building and lead them out. [National Institute of Standards and Technology, 6/2004, pp. L-18 pdf file] So presumably it is some time after this when they call the fire fighters to evacuate. However, contradicting this account, one report later claims, “Given the limited water supply and the first strategic priority, which was to search for survivors in the rubble, FDNY did not fight the fires [in WTC 7].” [Fire Engineering, 9/2002] And a 2002 government report says, “the firefighters made the decision fairly early on not to attempt to fight the fires, due in part to the damage to WTC 7 from the collapsing towers.” [Federal Emergency Management Agency, 5/1/2002, pp. 5-21] Building 7 eventually collapses late in the afternoon of 9/11 (see (5:20 p.m.)).

As we can ascertain from these accounts there were very few firefighters in 7 to begin with and they were pulled out a considerable time before 5:20pm. It seems strange that the fire captain would call Silverstein a few minutes before the collapse when the remaining firefighters were pulled out several hours before that and "then we watched the building come down"

The fema report attributted the most likely cause of the collapse of 7 to fire and debris damage and then assigned these reasons a very low probability of occurance.
The NIST report on 7 was delayed because it couldn't explain the collapse either.
For a thorough critique of their report
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/in...ml#introduction.
Also of interest would be this analysis of why the official story of WTC collapse is impossible
http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html

Buildings 5 and 6 were also damaged by much more extensive fires and debris and did not collapse
How do you explain that ?
As far as a taller building having a greater load to bear, every building is designed to bear the load that it contains so just cause it is tall doesn't mean it is any more likely to fall. I think the opposite is true because it
has more support underneath the failure point(s).
The scientists will debate this whole thing next spring and then we will see what truth comes out of that.

I'm not a scientist so I really cannot evaluate the conflicting data with any expertise. My concerns are
based on simple observations.
Why have government sources come out with multiple versions of what happened that day in any number of
areas?
Why was all the EVIDENCE illegally removed from the scene ? Was it because we have gotten used to the commonplace and everday illegal and immoral acts of this administration "Hidden In Plain Sight"
But they are the "Authorities",right?.They get to do what they want,the C.onstitution be damned.

This administration fought the formation of an official inquiry every step of the way and Bush and Cheney wouldn't even testify under oath.

They have lied about everything they have done since they came into office,but they told the truth about this one thing...Yeah Right.Actually they did. They told us in PNAC they needed a "New Pearl Harbor" and a year later they got it. And now those same people are trying to railroad us into Iran which was I think step 2 or 3 in the PNAC document.
Without 9/11 they don't have the clout to carry this out and would be dead in the water at this point.
Bushes popularity was slipping before 9/11 as people were figuring what he was about already.
Now we find out he was wiretapping before 9/11 too but all this was just "Coincidence" but damn it's
"working very well" for these "incompetent nitwits",with prez Chimpy @ the fiddle while Rome burns.

It's just all so easy to rationalize this stuff away with psuedo-rational arguments and forget our founders warning that our nation would never be overcome from without but only from within and thats what we are
witnessing right now



Many of you have heard that Rove reads Machiavelli's The Prince once a year. I wonder how many people know what the premise of that book is. It is a blueprint of how to take a government over under the guise of saving them from an "outside threat".


The NIST and FEMA studies were not based on
actual physical evidence but information derived from what they believed the evidence was.

Stand and Fight or submit to the slavery they have in mind for all of us

The Penthouse fell first (notice the crimp at the top, a definite sign of a controlled demolition)... but the collapse happened from the bottom up. (another definite sign of a controlled demolition)

Also, somewhere on one of these posts on this board I previously posted an eyewitness observer (a firefighter) saying that the blasts around the buildings were like a "belt all the way around".

From the website "How Stuff Works" here is a page from the "How Building Implosions Work" that you may find interesting: http://science.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion1.htm

I don't know what really happened on that day and neither do you or anyone else who was not directly involved in this actual event. But it is OBVIOUS that there are so many unanswered questions that a new, open, thorough and independent 9/11 investigation needs to occur and needs to occur soon for the mental health of all americans and particularly for the families of the victims of 9/11.

Where do you know he called him a few minutes before.


That is the most likely reason. Wouldn't the critical point be the stress on the failure points?

Thanks for this GREAT post, reystoke - you make several important and well-argued points. And especially thanks for the link to Jane Doe's EXCELLENT anlaysis of the collapse physics. She brought up several great points about the transfer of energy that have not been addressed by those engineers attempting to debunk 9/11 truthseekers' theories. I was especially impressed by her discussion of the pulverization of the buildings. She drew our attention to that obvious fact and then explained to us how that very explicit and visible fact (not only in the huge plumes of dust, but also in the total absence of stacked floors after the collapse) makes the "pancake" theory impossible: (1) It takes ENERGY to pulverize concrete floors, which would remove energy from the task of breaking up/collapsing floors beneath, AND which would SLOW THE FALL, and (2) If the floors are pulverized they present less weight and make the collapse of lower floors even less likely. This was just one point, but it is an important one that I feel seriously challanges the analyses and results of the 9/11 conspiracy debunkers cited on this board, if not refuting their findings altogether... Jane Doe's study should be publicized whenever this discussion comes up...

But, ultimately, as you and many of us have said, we need an independent, thorough and honest investigation of those events to determine once and for all WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED on 9/11/01.

The problem is YOU discount the accounts of the men and women working at the WTC on that day in emergency capacity. They have already given accounts of the fires in building 7 AND presented pictures where the corner is heavily damaged.

This was not a controlled demolition or implosions. Controlled demolitions do NOT take place at the top of a structure.

I seriously can't take anyone as credible who expected the floors to be pancaked after the fall.
How can anyone make the argument that the floors would weigh less as they crumbled when we saw the effect of their weight in the destruction of the things they hit. Every engineering analysis I've seen has set the estimated time of fall (according to test models) at 8-12 seconds. The collapse is well within those restrictions. A Physis, regardless of their well meaning positions, is not a structural engineer.

And what reason would those structural engineers have to attempt to cover up the truth?

You left out one tiny tid bit........Siverstein admitted that he had the build brought down in a controlled demolition on national televison in a PBS documentry......for all the world to hear.....and I posted this with links .......and yet we have those who refuse to believe their own ears......

mutt

I am sure you have heard all the rebutles to this statement. Was silverstein experienced in demolition terminology. Why would he have known that phrase. That phrase means to pull down by cable not by explosives. Why would he have said that in the interview and let it stand. He meant to pull the operation out of the building .The building had severe structural damage and the peoplewho should be able to tell fully expected to collapse.

IDIOTS AND illiterates


believe what they are TOLD TOO BELIEVE, WITHOUT FACTS
idiots remain IMBECILES and Bush-it supporters and members of the FLOCK OF MORONS.

this excerpt from the new thread, on 9/11 Whistle Blower Speaks Out
Whaddaya think? BushLies2U

This particular episode was about the WTC building 7. They interviewed Larry Silverstein (the owner) about building 7. He stated on national TV the following which is the direct quote and can be found here: http://www.wtc7.net/pullit.html

I remember getting a call from the, ER, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.

I actually have the program recorded and you are more than welcome to come by my house and watch it. He actually stated this on national TV. I was so amazed that I almost shat myself. I could not believe he
actually stated this on a nationally broadcasted TV program. You can ask any person who has done controlled demolitions please interview someone they will tell you it takes weeks of planning to do this. We
are expected to believe that this was facilitated and planned in a matter of hours for building 7, while the damn thing was on fire you have got to be kidding me. If that is not enough to make you believe something was fishy well then nothing will ever do.

Well, at least I'm glad to see that you don't subscribe to the 'Mission Impossible' theory of the building 7 collapse with dozens of masked Ninjas running through building 7 with small handheld devices that have a big flashing red lights and LCD display. They are slapdashedly sticking them to support columns and they get out just in time. As they watch their handiwork being done and as the building collapses, one of the Ninjas gets a phone call. The Ninja removes his mask, why he looks like a young Max Von Sydow!! He takes a call on his untraceable cell phone and answers in a heavy Teutonic accent , "Your will be done, Master".

In a voice worthy of Mister Burns (The Simpsons), Mister Silverstein answers "Eeexxcelent".

Implosion 101 website.....

http://science.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion1.htm

Don't forget to secretly remove all of the INTERIOR WALLS on building 7 three weeks in advance with no one noticing.

Best Regards,

Seni -- go back and read the report. You obviously didn't understand it or didn't read it carefully the first time...And nobody said the structural engineers attempted to "cover up the truth". They just missed a very important point of the the physics of the collapse -- all that pulverized cement that gave us the HUGE plumes of dust 1) required ENERGY to be formed, and 2) represented the dispersed (lost) weight of the original floors, the ones that were pulverized. It's really very logical if you take the time to understand what the report is saying...

There were huge plumes of dust and smoke. According to tests the main component of it was I believe from plasterborad but there was plenty of concrete in it also. But most people recognize that it was small in comparison to the total weight of the collapsing towers. Why would bringing the building down by explosives have caused all the concrete in the building to be pulverized. To bring down a building they don't wire the floors they attack the structural support such as the steel beams. CD's almost always have a huge dust cloud also but it is caused mostly when the building impacts the ground not from the explosives. In the WTC collapse I believe the dust cloud started at the point of collapse when the upper portion of the building fell into and through the lower part.

How does the supposed pulverization of all the concrete indicate demolition instead of collapse?
The extreme weight of the structure and the chaotic nature of falling debris would seem to better explain some pulverization. concrete from the top florrs falling over a thousand feet smashing into many different things on the way down. The concrete from the lower levels would fall a shorter distance but would be pummeled by floor upon floor crashing to the ground.


You don't thimk the scientists who studiesd the collapse knew that
all that pulverized cement that gave us the HUGE plumes of dust 1) required ENERGY to be formed, and 2) represented(added by me) a portion of the weight of the original floors, the ones that were pulverized.

The problem is most scientists agree there was plenty of energy to form the dust cloud and to continue demolishing the building on the way down.

VORNADO REALTY TRUST: FRONT FOR THE C.I.A.


Below is an article from the "MEDILL NEWS SERVICE[Northwestern University(IL)]", which involves a gun-running enterprise out of a Glendale Heights[DuPage County-See: "BIGGEST BRIBERY CARTEL EVER" by Sherman H. Skolnick, 12/17/05 http://www.skolnicksreport.com http://www.cloakanddagger.de http://www.stewwebb.com ], apartment complex in the State of Illinois. You can be evicted through the use of trickery and/or scheme. Example: Guilt through association of an gun-running enterprise or the World Trade Towers[New York City] on September 11, 2001 vis a vis Aggravated Arson[18 U.S.C. 844(i) and New York Penal Code: 150.20].


Man sentenced to 5 years for illegal gun sales

by Kirsten Searer
February 09, 2000

MEDILL NEWS SERVICE

SUREFIR2

U.S. District Judge Ruben Castillo sentenced a
Glendale Heights man, who illegally sold almost 200
firearms, to five years in prison Wednesday, and the
judge said he will work to increase penalties for
others who sell illegal guns.

Kelvin Jones, 31, sold 194 handguns, revolvers and
rifles in 1999 to people who did not have gun
licenses. He purchased 98 guns himself and sent three
accomplices to buy the others, according to
prosecutors.

One gun that Jones sold illegally a few years ago was
later used in a homicide, said Assistant U.S. Attorney
Stephen Heinze. But because Jones removed the serial
numbers from the guns sold last year with a tool and
black touch-up paint, police cannot determine if they
have been used in any crimes.

"Common sense tells you it's inevitable that a number
of these guns have been used in crimes and a number of
other crimes could still be committed," Heinze said.

Castillo told Jones he was "reluctant" not to impose
the maximum penalty of almost six years in prison and
that the federal guidelines which set prison terms for
people convicted of selling illegal guns are too
lenient.

Right now, convicted drug offenders can serve more
time than people convicted of selling illegal guns,
but the consequences of illegal gun selling are "much
worse than any drug offense I've seen," Castillo said.

"It doesn't take a whole lot of street sense to know
what was going on with those guns," he added.

Castillo said he is on a committee that could affect
the federal sentencing guidelines for gun-selling.

Jones, who pleaded guilty in November, was apprehended
in August after buying guns from Palatine[ http://www.brownschickenmassacre.com/ & http://www.suntimes.com/special_sections/c...lead18r.article ]
resident Joan Garfield, one of his accomplices.

He had just exited the Eisenhower Expressway at
Western Avenue, a neighborhood where guns are often
used in the commission of crimes, Heinze said.

Defense attorney Andrea Gambino told Castillo that
Jones was behind in his child support payments.

"He saw illegal firearm dealings as a way out of
financial strife," she said.

As Jones entered the courtroom Wednesday, he smiled
and gave a thumbs-up sign to his young son and other
family members who attended the sentencing hearing.
His mother, Dorothy Jones, begged Castillo for
leniency through tears.

"We love Kelvin, and his family is here to support him
and perhaps find out what went wrong," she said.

From March through August, Jones would select guns for
his three accomplices to purchase. The "straw"
purchasers would buy the guns and deliver them to
Jones. He then resold them to people who did not have
licenses to buy firearms.

Castillo sentenced Garfield, 35, to five years of
probation Wednesday for her part in the scheme.

"[She] was under the influence of Kelvin Jones, her
former lover and someone she thought she might marry
someday," said Garfield's lawyer, Frank Lipuma.

Garfield pleaded guilty in November to lying on the
government forms used to purchase a gun.

The other two accomplices, 32-year-old Maurice Ross of
Chicago and 28-year-old Tammahra Peterson, of North
Aurora will be sentenced by Castillo on Feb. 15.

Ross, who used to live with Jones, bought 21 firearms
for Jones, and Peterson bought 19, according to court
documents.

Jones and the three others were arrested in August,
when the government initiated a crackdown on illegal
weapon sales called Project Surefire. More than a
dozen other people have been indicted as part of the
push to crack down on illegal gun sales.

I filed a federal Civil Rights Court Case in San Diego, California, last year. See: Camilo H. Tapia and Mercedes R. Steltz vs. Archstone Communities d/b/a Charles E. Smith Realty Companies a/k/a Vornado Realty Trust, et. al., U.S. District Court, Southern District of California, Case No.: 05CV0733, U.S. District Judge Dana M. Sabraw[(619)557-6262]. Said case, alleged the following:

"Wrongful evictions[November 09, 1999] and theft of firearms[October 22, 1999].
Continuous pattern of activity. See: Charles E. Smith Realty Companies d/b/a Somerset Apartments vs. Camilo [H.] Tapia and Mercedes [R.] Steltz, DuPage County[IL]
Court Case No.: 99LM-03501; Cook County[IL] Court
Case Nos.: 94M1-713051/Gilbert Realty Co. vs. Mercedes
[R.] Steltz, 85M1-094403/Camilo H. Tapia vs.
George[Richard M.] Holtzman & 68CH-1888/Hulman vs. Lawn Savings, Asset: The Steger Building. Charles E. Smith Realty Companies and Kelvin Jones did not have federal or
court permission to engage in "gun-running
enterprise". The Plaintiff(s) alleges Kelvin Jones
was used as a counter-insurgent for the Central
Intelligence Agency[C.I.A.] See: "Congressional
Record by Congressman H.R. Gross, of Iowa. Congressional Record, May 17, 1971, page E4482...an investigation of the plundering of multi-million dollar real
estate..." and "Skolnick vs. 113th Military
Intelligence Group, et. al. No. 71 C 91, U.S. Dist.
Court, N.D. Ill., E.D.[Defendant John M. O'Brien,
while purportedly a military intelligence spy, is
believed to be a double-agent for the C.I.A.]". See:
Glendale Heights[IL] Police Department Case NO.:
99-15245[Certified Mail No.: 70001670000956340013],
phone: (630)260-6000 and Elk Grove Village[IL]Police
Department Case No.: 99-19122, phone: (847)357-4100. Kelvin Jones of 529
Gregory Lane?[Avenue], Glendale Heights, IL 60139
was arrested in 1999 on federal charges. See statements
made by [Dr.] Kathleen L. Kiernan[worked with the
C.I.A.], director of the ATF's Chicago field office
and U.S. Senator Dick Durbin(D-IL) concerning the
arrest of Kelvin Jones. The Plaintiff, Camilo H. Tapia
has "an established mental condition, as well as a
condition involving...[his] back." See letter from
the Social Security Administration, June 13, 2003,
phone:(619)464-8533. The Plaintiff(s) also allege a
conspiracy to obstruct justice by violating the U.S.
Bankruptcy Code[Automatic Stay]. See: U.S.
Bankruptcy Court, ND. of IL E.D., Case Nos.: 98-14985,
98-26744 and 98-B26744."


Respectfully submitted,

Camilo H. Tapia
Windsor, Ontario

P.S. "You just bought the farm."-Lee Marvin, quote from the movie: "PRIME CUT"-1972

P.P.S. I almost forgot, they can just take your property through the use of "EMINENT DOMAIN".

P.P.P.S. Go ahead and file a case against me! You'd be better off filing your nails.

P.P.P.P.S. "When it looked like they could get twenty-five years to life in prison just for skimming a casino, sick or no f____n' sick you knew people were going to get clipped."-Joe Pesci, quote from the movie: "CASINO"-1995

9/11 Like Watergate


To have a handle on the events which took place on September 11, 2001, you have to understand the "WATERGATE AFFAIR". And to be knowledgeable about Watergate you have to figure out the Mullen Company. And to fathom the Central Intellingence Agency[C.I.A.] a/k/a Corporate Investment Agency you have to know a lot about C.I.A. fronts[example: public relations agency or "PR" firms].
On June 17, 1972, five individuals[Bernard Barker; E. Rolando Martinez; Virgilio R. Gonzalez; Frank A. Sturgis f/k/a Frank Fiorini; and James W. McCord] were caught breaking into the Democratic national headquarters at the "Watergate" apartment complex in Washington, D.C. Another individual reported to work for the C.I.A. and the Mullen[PR firm]Company was E. Howard Hunt[See: "WATERGATE: THE CORRUPTION OF AMERICAN POLITICS AND THE FALL OF RICHARD [M.] NIXON" by Fred Emery].
Frank Sturgis, allegedly worked for the C.I.A. and with organized crime[LCN] figures who were involved in the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy[ http://www.cloakanddagger.de ] on November 22, 1963. The assassination of J.F.K. was reported to be nothing more than a coup in which the United States Government was successfully "OVERTHROWN"[See: "DOUBLE CROSS" by Sam and Chuck Giancana].
One of the C.I.A. fronts during the "Watergate Affair" was the public relations firm of Robert R. Mullen & Co.,"[See: "IN SEARCH OF DEEP THROAT" by Leonard Garment]. The Mullen Company, also, did "PR" work for "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints[L.D.S.] a/k/a Mormon Church [ See: "MORMON SPIES, HUGHES AND THE C.I.A." by Jerald and Sandra Tanner].
Another domestic operation "instigated" by the C.I.A. in August of 1968 were the riots "at the Democratic Party Convention in Chicago, discrediting the Democratic candiate for President." Involved in said riots were the so-called "Chicago 7[not to be confused with the recent Miami 7]". The "Chicago 7" consisted of Rennie Davis; Tom Hayden; David Dellinger; Jerry Rubin; Lee Weiner; John Froines; and Abbie Hoffman. The Federal Bureau of Investigation[F.B.I.: an illegal entity which was not established under United States Charter] kept the "Chicago 7" headquarters under surveillance. In order for said surveillance to take place, the F.B.I. evicted[without federal and/or court permission] tenant(s) from the "Steger Building"[See: Hulman vs. Lawn Savings, Cook County[Illinois] Circuit Court, Chancery Division, Case No.: 68CH1888 and "ANT[I] WAR MOVEMENT" by Sherman H. Skolnick http://www.skolnicksreport.com ].
On December 08, 1972, United Flight 553 crashed near Midway Airport in Chicago, Illinois[See: National Security Agency, Fort George G. Meade, Maryland, letter dated November 08, 2004, F.O.I.A. Case No.: 44549]. Aboard said flight was Dorothy Hunt wife of E. Howard Hunt who allegedly had a very large sum of money on her person. Also, in the general area of said crash site of United Flight 553 were two known narcotics traffickers "Cool" Freddie Smith; Grover Barnes; and one member of the "Chicago Outfit", Sam DeStefano a/k/a "MAD SAM"[See: "THE SECRET HISTORY OF AIRPLANE SABOTAGE" by Sherman H. Skolnick-1973].
Now to understand narcotics trafficking you have to know how to launder dope money through real estate, banks and "other reputed massive rip-offs." [See: "THE BUSH FAMILY, FLORIDA, AND THE AMERICAN CIA PART ONE" and "WAL-MART AND THE RED CHINESE SECRET POLICE, PART ONE" by Sherman H. Skolnick].
So you don't believe individuals can launder narcotics money? Contact Stew Webb at (816)478-3267 or visit his web site at http://www.stewwebb.com . Better yet, go to the DenverPost.com and search of "LEONARD MILLMAN - BROWNSTEIN CITI GROUP AL QAEDA HEADQUARTERS" by Stew Webb.
On March 14, 2001, a press release by U.S. Senator Charles E. Schumer stated Vornado Realty Trust would take control of the World Trade Center property in New York City. On March 21, 2001 it was revealed that the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey would deny the "99-year lease for the Twin Towers and its surrounding complex and "strike a deal" with Silverstein Properties and Westfield America. The "PR" firm who had handled both Silverstein Properties and Vornado Realty Trust was Rubenstein Associates, Inc.(212)843-8000. Howard [J.] Rubenstein, president of Rubenstein Associates, Inc. said, "He was disappointed in having it end. He tried to make the deal." Really? Did Mr. Rubenstein ever hear of the term "TWO CARD MONTE?"[See: "WORLD TRADE CENTER ON THE BLOCK" by forbes.com].
Camilo H. Tapia
1353 Wellington Avenue
Unit 14
Windsor, Ontario N8X 2C1
P.S. "He's just another thug, Leo[Wanta?]." Walter Matthau, quote from the movie: "THE LAUGHING POLICEMAN"-1973

ATOMIZED HUMAN BONE FRAGMENTS

After the events of September 11, 2001, it was reported on the "Lionel Show[ http://www.lionelonline.com ]" that some workers at the World Trade Center were suffering from lung ailments. Reportedly, some workers had medical examinations of their lungs. Allegedly, there have been numerous biopsies done on some said workers of the World Trade Center in New York City. Said biopsies of the lung(s) showed traces of atomized human bone fragments.
The only way to create such a diagnosis, would be the the use of high explosives[C-4 and RDX].
When C-4 and RDX are combined and detonated, it cause a tremendous amount of heat[approximately 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit].
The sudden creation of intense heat vapourizes everything in its the path when C-4 and RDX are detonated[explosion] including steel and human bone.
This of course means that the World Trade Towers in New York City were collapsed by the use of an high explosive[aggravated arson].

Camilo H. Tapia
Windsor, Ontario

Let us assume that a combined detonation of C-4 and RDX would produce in excess of 3000 degrees fahrenheit.

Is that the ONLY means of producing that temperature?
(Not "is that the only means you can think of".)

Untill the majority of the scientific community agrees that C-4 & RDX is the ONLY method, I will remain a skeptic.




Mac

LIQUID NITROGEN ON STEEL AND BLUE LIGHTNING IN THE TUB


One theory to cause "minute cracks" in a structure's steel beams is liquid nitrogen. Reportedly, most of the Steel beams recovered measured approximately 24 feet in length[every two stories] from the World Trade Center{New York City] after September 11, 2001. When liquid nitrogen[ http://www.chem.purdue.edu/chemsafety/Chem/ln2.htm ] is applied on steel, said material loses tensile strength and will cause it to become brittle.

Another theory, is the use of an exposive device called "BLUE LIGHTNING". See: "THE OVERTHROW OF THE AMERICAN REPUBLIC" PART 32 by Sherman H. Skolnick, 4/21/03 below:


"THE OVERTHROW OF THE AMERICAN REPUBLIC",
Part 32
by Sherman H. Skolnick 4/21/03

U.S./IRAQ Plots and Secret Weapons

Both the U.S. and Iraq have the same secret weapon and they share in joint plots. Without publicity, the U.S. used the weapon in Persian Gulf War One. Iraq, recipient of the same technology from Daddy Bush and others when Saddam Hussein was his private business partner in the 1980s, may use it in Persian Gulf War Two.

A huge body of details, known to us, is necessary to try to understand this report by those who may not be well-informed and/or, in years past have not been much interested in knowing about these matters that we put into our reports.

A summary of some of those details

[1] Both Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were created by the American CIA, with the aid and connivance, among others, of Daddy Bush, and despite appearing to be on the outs with their creators, continue to play sophisticated "games" with the CIA and others, seldom understood by or explained to common Americans. The oil-soaked, spy-riddled monopoly press tells us all less than ten per cent of the truth, ninety per cent fairy tales, to protect The Establishment, the "powers-that-be", the Ruling Class , or whatever you call "THEM".

[2] Our reports right after the multiple bombings of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Office Building, in Oklahoma City, April 19, 1995, were often misunderstood and widely heckled by poorly informed persons. Despite that, we continue to try not to deal wit h readers of our reports, listeners of our radio shows, and viewers of our non-commercial tv shows, as if such persons are all eight year olds, the rotten way the press-fakers keep the public as dumb as possible.

(a) right after April 19, 1995, we wrote exclusive reports which appeared on one or more websites, years before we had our own website. (We believe they may still be archived by Brian Redman, who has been running a superior website, "Conspiracy Nation", although we are NOT conspiracy theorists.)

We said that multiple weapons were used to take down the building in Oklahoma City. We later interviewed some of those who came from some distance as volunteer rescuers with their sniffing dogs, searching for possible survivors. We found later that some of them were suffering from radioactive fall-out ailments. AND, that their skilled dogs thereafter died. For various reasons becoming suspicious, the volunteers dug up the carcasses of the dead animals and a laboratory determined they had huge amou nts of radioactive material in their lungs. The volunteers themselves were suffering from diseases associated with having been heavily exposed to radioactive materials. Government doctors told the volunteers if they did not SHUT UP about the subject, th at their ailments would not be dealt with, that they would receive no medical attention, and doctor/hospital bills would NOT be paid.

Who among the press prostitutes mentioned the independent-minded investigators who came to the bomb site with Geiger Counters, to measure radioactive fall-out and were astounded what they found? Nuclear experts who permitted us to talk to them on the pr omise of extreme secrecy, informed us that the residue substance discovered in the bomb site was TRITIUM. It is described as "A rare radioactive hydrogen isotope with atomic mass 3 and half-life 12.5 years, prepared artificially for use as a tracer and as a constituent of hydrogen bombs". Excerpt of our interviews

Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts "Why are you whispering to me?"

Nuclear expert "You are a layman. You do not know what you are messing with in discussing tritium, sir."

Weapons experts prefer tritium because it has a half-life, when it is still potent, much, much less than better known plutonium.

The press whores, in a position to know about these things or even to ask questions, were silent and censored all mentioned of anything linked to this. If anything, they steered up know-nothings to privately blast us as "liars". The press raised no ques tions when the FBI, to cover up the radioactivity, quickly demolished what was left of the Murrah Building and cemented over the site, calculated to keep the radioactive residue from being further measured and detected.

[3] As we detailed in various of our stories posted on websites of pals of ours, we mentioned that starting before April 19, 1995, were efforts by dissident "flag officers", slang for Admirals and Generals, to seek to arrest their Command-in-Chief Bill Clinton, a real-life "Seven Days in May". They felt authorized under the Uniform Military Code to arrest Clinton. If he arrested them for mutiny, if they were not immediately assassinated, they were prepared to heavily document to defend themselves at C ourts Martial with data proving Clinton met from time to time with the head of the Red Chinese Secret Police, Wang Jun, and turned over to him, U.S. financial, industrial, and yes, MILITARY secrets. The Red Chinese being sworn enemies of the U.S., these acts by Clinton fit the classic U.S. Constitution definition of treason (Article 3, Section 3).

[4] Right after April 19, 1995, Clinton went as a surprise on CBS's "60 Minutes" Sunday tv program, and proclaimed that the "militia" (then much in the news) were dedicated, he said, "to try to overthrow the U.S. Government", a false notion Clinton well knew. Clinton and his cronies, the Bush Crime Family, clearly had prior knowledge of the Oklahoma City Bombings. Clinton's purpose was to divert attention from the political debacle of the 1994 Congressional Election, wherein the GOP took control, afte r many years, of the U.S. Congress.

[5] In 1992, members of our investigative group spent about four months extensively interviewing Michael Riconoscuito. Described by those who knew him well as a weapons and electronic genius, which we verified he is/was, he ran afoul of the American CIA because he divulged to a Congressional Committee the dirty business of Daddy Business and others in the "spook" industry. [The federal jails, in various places in this nation, have put away by frame-ups, several former CIA pilots who blew the whistle o n dope shipments, CIA covert operators and such, all on the outs with the spy cartel, and put in jail on long sentences. Riconosciuto was framed up on a 28 year rap.]

As we confirmed, Riconosciuto helped invent and develop a sub-atomic weapon he and others called "blue lightning". We talked to him in the Federal "Triangle", one of the few buildings in the U.S. shaped with three sides and being the Federal jail in the Windy City. He was brought to Chicago from another jail, while he waited to be brought before a very, very Special Federal Grand Jury supposedly investigating corruption of the U.S. Justice Department and the American CIA.

In charge of the Grand Jury was retired former Chicago U.S. District Judge Nicholas J. Bua. Was it a mere coincidence he was a key member of the secret group P-2 (Propagana Due), dedicated to overthrowing representative governments in Italy, France, Eng land, and U.S? P-2 is made up of top level judges, cabinet members, legislators, media brass, and bosses of the secret political police. (A history of P-2, from various publications available through web search engines, shows they specialize, for exampl e, in bombings to blame onto innocent dissidents.)

Get this! Former Judge Bua in 1992 was the Special Counsel for the U.S. Justice Department. Neat trick! Investigating themselves, a perfect whitewash. Little known or understood is that every person has a fundamental right to find the foreperson of the Grand Jury and submit to that person evidence and testimony that the Grand Jury may wish to investigate. Of course, no outsider has a right to ask a Gr and Juror what they are deliberating on behind the unmarked door. I located the foreperson of Bua's Grand Jury, as she was walking on the way to the secret door. I told her I and associates of mine had testimony and evidence for the Grand Jury. Bua's as sistant, not wishing to know the law that applied authorizing what I was doing, tried to right there arrest me. When I told Bua, who knew me for several decades, that I will sue him and his assistant for false arrest, Bua called off his vicious dog.

[6] A secret copy of Bua's whitewash report was somehow delivered to us. We found out that Bua had without evidence he could refer to, condemned Riconosciuto and any mention of the "blue lightning" weapon. Shortlly thereafter I and an associate of mine and Riconosciuto brought a suit in the Chicago Federal District Court against Bua and others. We claimed they were unlawfully blocking our evidence and testimony before the Federal Grand Jury, an offense known as obstruction of justice. A fellow Judge o f Bua, without allowing us to appear even once in his courtroom, secretly dismissed our case, stating no reason for doing so.

[7] During Persian Gulf War One, 1991, without publicity, or if ever mentioned at all, soft-pedaled, the U.S. Military used Riconosciuto's invention "blue lightning" to blast away and incinerate great numbers of Iraqi troops. Riconosciuto and others fam iliar with the weapon, contend it releases a form of sub-atomic power. A residue left over in or near where it is used is TRITIUM, same residue left over after the multiple blasts at the Oklahoma City bombings, April 19, 1995.

[8] For many years after the Oklahoma City disaster, I was the only one writing exclusively about how domestic dissidents whether they were fully aware of it or not, were actually surrogates for Iraq playing a dirty game in the U.S. for the American CIA and others. At the close of Persian Gulf War One, as I exclusively described, Daddy Bush, then President, quietly brought into the U.S., four thousand supposed elite Iraqi military and intelligence division defectors, some of them skilled pilots. Bush and later Clinton, were in a position to know that some of them were actually double agents.

In a heavily censored and watered down story, CBS's "60 Minutes" tv program mentioned that 550 such supposed "defectors" were housed and became residents, with their families, in Lincoln, Nebraska. Not mentioned was the real details. Namely, that 2,000 of such were set up, with federal subsidies for them and their families, housing, rent, food, and such IN OKLAHOMA CITY. AND, that they were involved in using Timothy McVeigh, and others as surrogates, whether directly or immediately known by him and ot hers or not.

Many years after my original exclusive stories, a huge documented book came out. It documented how between 4 thousand and 13 thousand such Iraqis were brought into the U.S.and vast sums spent on them. AND YET, the report states, U.S. citizens, as former soldiers, were often being DENIED benefits from the Veterans Administration.

"Final Report---On the Bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building April 19, 1995", by The Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee, 2001, P.O.Box 75697, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73147, pages 476-477. [9] Just prior to the Timothy McVeigh trial, his Chief Defense Counsel, Stephen Jones, filed in the Federal Appeals Court, a special petition against the trial judge, Richard Matsch. Jones sought to compel the trial judge to release records of the Ameri can CIA and others, that showed there was, among other things, an Iraqi connection, and that defendant Timothy McVeigh was a domestic dissident surrogate for Iraq apparently seeking revenge on U.S. soil against the U.S. The government and the trial Judg e contended that the CIA was a different unit of the U.S. government and Jones could only seek records from the Justice Department. That is like claiming someone has money in another pocket of his jacket or pants. In his 185 page petition Jones surprisi ngly refers to both the public Court Record AND THE SECRET COURT RECORD as to the Iraqi connection.

The press were silent about Jones' petition which was summarily refused and denied. Recently, a group of those whose loved ones died in the Oklahoma bombings, brought a damage suit against the government of Iraq. Evidently they were seeking to get at, b y way of damages, Iraq funds frozen within the U.S. jurisdiction. The monopoly press said little about this.

[10] On April 4, 2003, a spokesman purportedly for the Baghdad government, stated that the Iraqis had what he described as a non-military surprise for the U.S. Military forces acting as foreign invaders in his country. He denied it was a Weapon of Mass Destruction.

Was he hinting that "blue lightning", made available to Iraq by Daddy Bush at a time Bush was a private business partner of Saddam Hussein, would be used to teach the U.S. a lesson in how a small nation of 24 million people could resist a monstrous, wel l-equipped aggressor of 280 million people?

Some unanswered questions

===Will "blue lightning", a sub-atomic weapon, apparently not as serious as a nuclear weapon, be used, for example, against the huge airport near Baghdad, once called Saddam Hussein International Airport, renamed by the U.S. Military as Baghdad Internat ional Airport? Are the makings of "blue lightning" in the tunnels and passageways under that airport?

===Will the "blue lightning" weapon, if used by Iraq, tend to unravel Daddy Bush and his crony, Bill Clinton, and their prior knowledge and complicity as to the Oklahoma City multiple bombings? And maybe, even expose Daddy Bush and monsters in the U.S.

Military brass having carried out the disasters of September 11, 2001, falsely blamed on "Arabs", but calculated to destroy the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights? Remember, how to do such a thing was documented in the book "Body of Secrets" by James Bamford which came out right before 9-11, as to how the top U.S. Military in 1962, "Operation Northwoods", planned to commit horrible violence against fellow Americans to blame onto Cuba to justify the U.S. invading Cuba.

===If the truth about "blue lightning" comes out, will ordinary Americans find out what really took down, as by controlled demolitions, the World Trade Center twin towers and WTC Building 7 in Manhattan, September 11, 2001?

===Will common Americans come to understand that 9-11 is part of a long series of events, to Overthrow the American Republic?

===In the process of finding out about "blue lightning", as a direct or side issue, will common Americans come to wonder about the following One of the first network reporters to show up to cover the Oklahoma City bombings was Dan Raviv, CBS News International/National Correspondent. Is it just a mere coincidence that he co-authored the book about The Mossad, Israeli Intelligence, "Every Spy A Prince The Complete History of Israel's Intelligence Community", co-authored with Yossi Melman, 1990. Also, the same two co-authored "Friends in Deed Inside the U.S.-Israel Alliance". Did a faction in The Mossad have prior knowledge of the Oklahoma City bombings and in vain, informed Daddy Bush and Bill Clinton, who for geopolitical and other power purposes allowed it to happen? And did The Mossad have prior knowledge of 9-11 and, in vain, informed the George W. Bush White House who allowed it to happen anyway to be falsely blamed onto "Arabs"? FBI Deputy Director John P. O'Neill, a leading counter-terrorist expert, was blocked by the Bush White House from continuing to investigate Osama bin Laden. Why? Because it would l! ead back to the Bush Crime Family, the Carlyle Group, and others.Quitting FBI about August, 2001, O'Neill became the Security Chief of the World Trade Center, lured at the last minute into one of the buildings, and there perished.

AND, who mentions that George W. Bush's younger brother Marvin, was a director of an insurance company having coverage of the twin towers and he apparently cancelled his company's coverage BEFORE the disaster. Further, Marvin Bush was a director of a fi rm that arranged the security of the twin towers. [Put MARVIN BUSH into a good website search engine and see what all you pull up.]

My stories are unacceptable to the monopoly press. Do not heckle me, demanding that I make available stories like this to the newsfakers---as if I am responsible for them censoring stories like this.

More coming....Stay tuned.


Since 1958, Mr.Skolnick has been a court reformer. Since 1963, founder/chairman, Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, disclosing certain instances of judicial and other bribery and political murders. Since 1991 a regular panelist, and since 1995, moderator/producer, of one-hour,weekly public access Cable TV Show, "Broadsides", Cablecast on Channel 21, 9 p.m. each Monday in Chicago. For a heavy packet of printed stories, send $5.00 [U.S. funds] and a stamped, self-addressed business sized envelope [4-1/4 x 9-1/2 #10 size] WITH THREE STAMPS ON IT, to Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, Sherman H. Skolnick, Chairman, 9800 South Oglesby Ave., Chicago IL 60617-4870. Office, 7 days, 8 a.m. to midnight, (773) 375-5741 [PLEASE, no "just routine calls]. Before sending FAX, call.

The "BLUE LIGHTNING" explosives were planted in the substructure or "tub" of World Trade Towers including Building #7. This is why there was molten steel being dug out of said site[GROUND ZERO].
http://www.911review.com/errors/wtc/molten.html

Respectfully submitted,
Camilo H. Tapia
Windsor, Ontario

P.S. "You can hear the eyeballs clicking".-Bruce Dern, quote from the movie: "THE LAUGHING POLICEMAN"-1973