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phrantic
Flip-Flop? Cut-and-Run? That's what the GOP has to offer, catch phrases and no good ideas. We have the latter but need the former. If we're going to win in November, we must hit back with our own winning themes:

http://www.airfarceone.net/bigpubstickers.html



America is under attack ... from the right. Let's roll!

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mrpoparue
QUOTE(phrantic @ Jul 11 2006, 09:01 AM) *

Flip-Flop? Cut-and-Run? That's what the GOP has to offer, catch phrases and no good ideas. We have the latter but need the former. If we're going to win in November, we must hit back with our own winning themes:

http://www.airfarceone.net/bigpubstickers.html



America is under attack ... from the right. Let's roll!

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How about these Free abortions on demand. Full benefits to all illegal aliens. We will protect your library cards at all cost, we will protect your privacy at all costs, even if it causes the deaths of thousands of innocent people.
lenzy1000
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 11:12 AM) *

How about these Free abortions on demand. Full benefits to all illegal aliens. We will protect your library cards at all cost, we will protect your privacy at all costs, even if it causes the deaths of thousands of innocent people.


Prove that protecting library cards has caused a terrorist attack. What silliness.
mrpoparue
QUOTE(lenzy1000 @ Jul 11 2006, 09:25 AM) *

Prove that protecting library cards has caused a terrorist attack. What silliness.

THE SILLINESS is that liberal believe that library cards must be top secret from the goverment.
lenzy1000
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 11:26 AM) *

THE SILLINESS is that liberal believe that library cards must be top secret from the goverment.


How real terrorists have caught and convicted? 1 This administration couldn't find their butt with both hands.
mrpoparue
QUOTE(lenzy1000 @ Jul 11 2006, 09:28 AM) *

How real terrorists have caught and convicted? 1 This administration couldn't find their butt with both hands.

caught? Well some in Washington, some in Florida , some in Boston, some in New York, and who knows how many more that are still secret because they haven't been leaked yet .
Mutt
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 11:12 AM) *

How about these Free abortions on demand. Full benefits to all illegal aliens. We will protect your library cards at all cost, we will protect your privacy at all costs, even if it causes the deaths of thousands of innocent people.



No pop this is what you would really like to see....just to make sure your little yellow cowardly ass is safe.


1.) Toss the constitution in the trash...after all it is just a god damn piece of paper anyway.

2.) Security cameras every ten feet on every block and two on every house

3.) On the border....two 40 ft tall 5ft thick walls 60ft apart with a razor wire cap and land mines in between with razor wire imbedded in the concrete with sniper towers every 40 ft. with orders to shoot to kill(can't be to careful here....have to keep those bad ol other humans out at all cost...if they die ....who cares...their Mexicans and sub human..and if they die in between the walls...don't have to bury them...let the buzzards eat.)

4.) Make every law in the country including parking tickets a felony with a minimum sentence of 3 years and a $3,000.00 fine....no leeway or exceptions.

5.) If you are gay...you are going to be deported to some island somewhere.....don't care where...just as long as you are gone..

6.) Have military pesonel on every corner and every person gets their papers checked at every corner....failure to do so the offender will be shot on site.

7.) You must have 10 forms of government issued I.D. to go to Canada or get your Drivers License renewed or to get a passport.

8.) Taxes will be eliminated on corporations and the rich(those in the $500,000.00+ per year) and increased to 60% on those below that level to make up the slack.

9.) All vehicles will have an RFID chip implanted as well as external access by authorities for tracking and "safety"

10.) Abortions and freedom of choice will be no more and those seeking this will be thrown in prison for life and those providing the sevices will be executed.

11.) The minimum wage law will be repealed and employers can set any wage they please.

12.) All consumer protection laws will be repealed and corporations can have free reign from interest rates to prices.....

14.) All enviromental laws will be repealed in the name of profit.....

15.) Police will be given free reign to use whatever force the feel like including lethal force to apprehend anyone that might be involved or suspected of a crime without any worry of prosecution or retribution if lethal force is used and the suspect is killed.

Police will also have the free reign to enter any home at any time for any reason without worry of prosecution and remove items that they deem as evidence and in the event that no crime was commited do not have to return any of those items.



How'd I do? Did I leave anything out? Miss anything? Oh...and the boat leaves every hour heading to some dictatorship that already has all of these already in effect....why don't you go pack and get your ass on it.....just so you are safe ....because you are not able to stand up and protect yourself


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lenzy1000
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 11:36 AM) *

caught? Well some in Washington, some in Florida , some in Boston, some in New York, and who knows how many more that are still secret because they haven't been leaked yet .


I said real terrorists not some shoeless refugees from haiti who couldn't rob a 7/11.
mrpoparue
QUOTE(lenzy1000 @ Jul 11 2006, 09:41 AM) *

I said real terrorists not some shoeless refugees from haiti who couldn't rob a 7/11.

So the guy caught comming in to blow up LAX is a Hatian? and the guys in California were Hatian's?
climbski
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 09:12 AM) *

we will protect your privacy at all costs, even if it causes the deaths of thousands of innocent people.


There is something I could vote for.

I grew up with the phrase Land of the free home of the brave.A land where nearly 1 million soldiers in 200 years had died to secure freedom.

Not sure what happenned to that country. It seems to be occupied by basket case cowards who want to spit on the deaths of the 1Mil soldiers by giving away their freedoms because 3000 died.
mrpoparue
QUOTE(climbski @ Jul 11 2006, 09:59 AM) *

There is something I could vote for.

I grew up with the phrase Land of the free home of the brave.A land where nearly 1 million soldiers in 200 years had died to secure freedom.

Not sure what happened to that country. It seems to be occupied by basket case cowards who want to spit on the deaths of the 1Mil soldiers by giving away their freedoms because 3000 died.

I will never believe that all of the people that gave their lives for our country or even a few gave a rats ass about the safety of their library cards
climbski
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 10:02 AM) *

I will never believe that all of the people that gave their lives for our country or even a few gave a rats ass about the safety of their library cards


Ok how would they feel about a land where everything you say or do can be surveiled without warrent . where there are so many laws that no man can live without breaking some.

Where when you combine these 2 facts it allows those in power to single out anyone they want and destroy thier lives. Face the vast majority of people in the soviet union got along and lived lives free of govt hassle and in many ways similar to reg jo american. This is true in any totalitarian state. Its just the ones that stuck their heads up that had to worry.

Freedom is very fragile. I would so glady vote for a govt that was as radical about protecting freedoms as your library card smear suggests. It is certainly a safer choice than a govt that says you can be declared a enemy combatant by the administration then whisked away evr to be heard from again.
jlee562
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 10:02 AM) *

I will never believe that all of the people that gave their lives for our country or even a few gave a rats ass about the safety of their library cards


Of course you don't, because apparently you don't care about freedom.

You want the government out of your life in every other area, but you don't mind if they have a look-see in your personal/private records?

Yeah...ok.
mrpoparue
QUOTE(jlee562 @ Jul 11 2006, 10:12 AM) *

Of course you don't, because apparently you don't care about freedom.

You want the government out of your life in every other area, but you don't mind if they have a look-see in your personal/private records?

Yeah...ok.

I dont understand your post, where do I want the goverment out of my life? I will admit this I dont care if anyone looks at my library card, If I call al quida I hope thay do come to talk to me about it.
I look at it like this..I value my childrens saftey more than my library card or what phone numbers I call or keeping secret my money tranfers to some terrorist group. I not doing any of it so I dont have to worry..

i DONT SEE IT AS UNREASONABLE[i][u]
climbski
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 10:22 AM) *

I value my childrens saftey more than my library card or what phone numbers I call or keeping secret my money tranfers to some terrorist group. I not doing any of it so I dont have to worry..

i DONT SEE IT AS UNREASONABLE[i][u]


Is this just a uniquely american version of political naivete? You trust too redily. and cannot see the great contridiction inherint in your first two statements i quoted. Such statement reverberate deeply throughout the history of great calamities in human rights.

BTW the patriot act and other declarations go waaaaay beyond library cards.
mrpoparue
QUOTE(climbski @ Jul 11 2006, 10:26 AM) *

Is this just a uniquely american version of political naivete? You trust too redily. and cannot see the great contridiction inherint in your first two statements i quoted. Such statement reverberate deeply throughout the history of great calamities in human rights.

BTW the patriot act and other declarations go waaaaay beyond library cards.

i LOVE TO USE THE LIBRARY CARD BECAUSE IT SHOW THE EXTREME distrust liberal have of the government and their so called right to privacy. I use it because one of my great senators from California said she could not vote for the patriot act as long as the library card was under attack.
jlee562
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 10:22 AM) *

I dont understand your post, where do I want the goverment out of my life? I will admit this I dont care if anyone looks at my library card, If I call al quida I hope thay do come to talk to me about it.
I look at it like this..I value my childrens saftey more than my library card or what phone numbers I call or keeping secret my money tranfers to some terrorist group. I not doing any of it so I dont have to worry..

i DONT SEE IT AS UNREASONABLE[i][u]

You've said in the past that you don't want the government to control the public school system. And, as per GOP values, don't you want a smaller government?

Also, it is not your library card they are looking at. They would be investigating your reading habits to build a dossier on you, and they don't have to tell you about it.

They can enter your home, search it, and not tell you about it.

Is that also reasonable?
mrpoparue
QUOTE(jlee562 @ Jul 11 2006, 10:32 AM) *

You've said in the past that you don't want the government to control the public school system. And, as per GOP values, don't you want a smaller government?

Also, it is not your library card they are looking at. They would be investigating your reading habits to build a dossier on you, and they don't have to tell you about it.

They can enter your home, search it, and not tell you about it.

Is that also reasonable?

So don't go to the library!

As for government control of the school system, I do want government control I just want most of it to be at the local level not at the federal level.
Senihele
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 12:36 PM) *

caught? Well some in Washington, some in Florida , some in Boston, some in New York, and who knows how many more that are still secret because they haven't been leaked yet .



annnnd your proof?

Pulling it from the nether regions again, eh Pop?
Senihele
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 01:02 PM) *

I will never believe that all of the people that gave their lives for our country or even a few gave a rats ass about the safety of their library cards



You are one of the most disingenous posters I have ever encountered.
Drop the BS about library cards and address the issue of censorship and monitoring of our reading material. mad.gif
jlee562
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 10:37 AM) *

So don't go to the library!

As for government control of the school system, I do want government control I just want most of it to be at the local level not at the federal level.


If I can't go to the library, than my freedom as an American is restricted.

Also, you never answered. The FBI, under the PATRIOT act, can enter your home, search it, and not tell you they were there. Is this reasonable?
Senihele
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 01:31 PM) *

i LOVE TO USE THE LIBRARY CARD BECAUSE IT SHOW THE EXTREME distrust liberal have of the government and their so called right to privacy. I use it because one of my great senators from California said she could not vote for the patriot act as long as the library card was under attack.



It shows two things.
1. Your extreme lack of comprehension of national issues and
2. Your disdain for the privacy and security of Americans.

Actually 3
Your selfishness and complete self absorption.
mrpoparue
QUOTE(Senihele @ Jul 11 2006, 10:46 AM) *

It shows two things.
1. Your extreme lack of comprehension of national issues and
2. Your disdain for the privacy and security of Americans.

Actually 3
Your selfishness and complete self absorption.

Another day in the sand box !

my opinion is shared by millions of people. Just because you have a different opinion, it does not make yours any more valid than mine. The disdain is for people that have learned nothing from the past and how appeasers and people that distrust our government more than that of others.

It is amazing how everything that is being said about the war on terror and how we must restrict some freedom for a short while as we win a war was said before we entered WW! Some people never learn from the past. As for #3 If it is selfish to care more about my family than a stupid library card , I plead guilty.
jlee562
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 10:56 AM) *

Another day in the sand box !

my opinion is shared by millions of people. Just because you have a different opinion, it does not make yours any more valid than mine. The disdain is for people that have learned nothing from the past and how appeasers and people that distrust our government more than that of others.

It is amazing how everything that is being said about the war on terror and how we must restrict some freedom for a short while as we win a war was said before we entered WW! Some people never learn from the past. As for #3 If it is selfish to care more about my family than a stupid library card , I plead guilty.


That's rich, accusing us of never learning from the past....
Senihele
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 01:56 PM) *

Another day in the sand box !

my opinion is shared by millions of people. Just because you have a different opinion, it does not make yours any more valid than mine. The disdain is for people that have learned nothing from the past and how appeasers and people that distrust our government more than that of others.


Oh I somehow doubt that "millions of people" share your concern over the library cards LOL
Poor little cards. So maligned. Again, your comprehension is lacking.

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It is amazing how everything that is being said about the war on terror and how we must restrict some freedom for a short while as we win a war was said before we entered WW! Some people never learn from the past. As for #3 If it is selfish to care more about my family than a stupid library card , I plead guilty.


We can't win Bush's war. We have instead fueled it. and I assume by "WW exclamation mark" you mean WW1. Do not compare this war of lies to a justified defensive action.

Yes, you're selfish because you don't give a rat's rear about the rights of Americans and apparently not about our constitution either.
climbski
"The disdain is for people that have learned nothing from the past and how appeasers and people that distrust our government more than that of others."


This is where you make a seriuos flaw in your understanding of where most liberals are.

1. We beleive strongly in protecting america from outside threats. I demand that our govt go after those organizations that have treatened or have a past history of attacking us.

2. We also beleive strongly that protecting our freedoms that make us the greatest nation on earth is the WHOLE reason for protecting ourselves from outside attack.

to sacrifice the second point for the 1st point it the definition of losing to those outside threats however.

To remain free requires Bravery because the very thing that makes us free opens us to a deadly attack occasionally. We should do what we can to protect ourselves w/o sacrificing freedom.. willing to bear the the deadly burden of some risk.

That nearly sums up what it means to be an American in my mind.
phrantic
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And Bush isn't Jesus!


mrpoparue
QUOTE(Senihele @ Jul 11 2006, 11:02 AM) *

Oh I somehow doubt that "millions of people" share your concern over the library cards LOL
Poor little cards. So maligned. Again, your comprehension is lacking.
We can't win Bush's war. We have instead fueled it. and I assume by "WW exclamation mark" you mean WW1. Do not compare this war of lies to a justified defensive action.

Yes, you're selfish because you don't give a rat's rear about the rights of Americans and apparently not about our constitution either.

The point is that the exact same things were being said about our entry into WW1. And I quess a war against terrorist is not justified in your mind.
climbski
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 11:09 AM) *

The point is that the exact same things were being said about our entry into WW1. And I quess a war against terrorist is not justified in your mind.


Actually people didnt say that.. they siad it isn't our war... incorrectly of course. They wernt worrying about govt surveilance and lack of warrents or their own feedoms.

Also why not chew on my reply a couple up and see if you can reply in kind... it seems you just want to lash out and accuse libs of being cowards, ignorant, and worse yet sympathizers of the enemy. The last one beig quite a sad sypmtom of a person brainwashed by the mcarthyesque tactics of rush limbaugh and a few other righty demagogs.
mrpoparue
QUOTE(climbski @ Jul 11 2006, 11:18 AM) *

Actually people didnt say that.. they siad it isn't our war... incorrectly of course. They wernt worrying about govt surveilance and lack of warrents or their own feedoms.

Also why not chew on my reply a couple up and see if you can reply in kind... it seems you just want to lash out and accuse libs of being cowards, ignorant, and worse yet sympathizers of the enemy. The last one beig quite a sad sypmtom of a person brainwashed by the mcarthyesque tactics of rush limbaugh and a few other righty demagogs.

lib are cowards, ignorant, and sympathizers where did you get that from? was it when I said my OPINION is just as valid as a liberals. It is my OPINION that liberals fear their own government more than that of other countries, it is my OPINION that a liberal or a conservative views is never ignorent. It is my OPINION that people that leak top secret items to the press should be tried for treason. I dont think that that is Mcarthyism at ALL
I will post something I read last night latter, it was amazing to see the words of 1917 read the same as 2006.
mrpoparue
QUOTE(jlee562 @ Jul 11 2006, 10:45 AM) *

If I can't go to the library, than my freedom as an American is restricted.

Also, you never answered. The FBI, under the PATRIOT act, can enter your home, search it, and not tell you they were there. Is this reasonable?

In a time of war YES
As for your freedoms they are restricted everyday.
jlee562
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 11:29 AM) *


I will post something I read last night latter, it was amazing to see the words of 1917 read the same as 2006.


"Our first priority must always be the security of our nation… We will win this war; we'll protect our homeland"

"An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great nation. We must take steps to insure our domestic security and protect our homeland. "

Which was Bush in 2002, and which was Hitler in 1922?

and you think liberals learn nothing from History?
jlee562
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 11:31 AM) *

In a time of war YES
As for your freedoms they are restricted everyday.


That'd be an excuse if Congress had declared war. But we're not at war.

Yes, yes they are. But never in such a manner.
mrpoparue
QUOTE(jlee562 @ Jul 11 2006, 11:33 AM) *

That'd be an excuse if Congress had declared war. But we're not at war.

Yes, yes they are. But never in such a manner.

If we are not at war, why do Dems and Reps both say we are?
jlee562
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 11:36 AM) *

If we are not at war, why do Dems and Reps both say we are?


So now you trust politicians to tell you the truth?
mrpoparue
QUOTE(jlee562 @ Jul 11 2006, 11:37 AM) *

So now you trust politicians to tell you the truth?

Why acource I do ! That why I vote independent and have for 20 years. The difference is that I see many here say I KOWN THAT THE DEMS LIE BUT THE REPS LIE MORE SO I GOING TO VOTE FOR THE DEM
AS long as it all about winning it will never change and both parties will continue to lie to get your vote.
megadave2002
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 12:31 PM) *

In a time of war YES
As for your freedoms they are restricted everyday.

We are in a time of "Authorization to use Military Force"
The congress has not declared war.

Plus it is an Invasion and Occupation and an illegal act of agression.

megadave2002
QUOTE(phrantic @ Jul 11 2006, 10:01 AM) *

Flip-Flop? Cut-and-Run? That's what the GOP has to offer, catch phrases and no good ideas. We have the latter but need the former. If we're going to win in November, we must hit back with our own winning themes:

http://www.airfarceone.net/bigpubstickers.html



America is under attack ... from the right. Let's roll!

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I think you are correct, if you take it issue by issue most Americans are with Democrats on the issues, the republicans are just better at sloganeering.

If only sloganeering and blaming Clinton would fix all of our problems we would be set. wink.gif
Senihele
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 02:29 PM) *

It is my OPINION that people that leak top secret items to the press should be tried for treason.




We finally agree. Bush, Rove and Cheney should all be tried for treason!!
Senihele
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 03:25 PM) *

Why acource I do ! That why I vote independent and have for 20 years. The difference is that I see many here say I KOWN THAT THE DEMS LIE BUT THE REPS LIE MORE SO I GOING TO VOTE FOR THE DEM
AS long as it all about winning it will never change and both parties will continue to lie to get your vote.



Which was the lie? You say you're an independent yet have professed to being a conservative in several threads. Were you lying then or are you lying now?
Mac McFadden
Unreasonable

The Fourth Amendment defines "unreasonable".
Search and seizure without a warrant is "unreasonable".

It also defines the criteria for issuing such a warrant:
Probable cause

So a search without a warrant issued for probable cause is an unreasonable search.

So, if the government wants to look at my medical records, library records, financial and bank records, internet access records, emails, or listen to my phone calls or look at my telephone records all they have to do is get a warrant based on probable cause. Otherwise their actions are UNREASONABLE


That's the fact, Jack.
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Mac
adeshell
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 12:12 PM) *

How about these Free abortions on demand.


What a silly notion. If Democrats ever supported that, or if it became a mainstream view for Democrats, I'd be first off the ship. However, there are those of us DEMOCRATS actively trying to reduce abortions whether its legal or not.

Its down to the morality and judgment of the parent to decide the issue. Its NOT democrats deciding if a baby is aborted or not, its the parent. My opinion is that abortion should not be legal in most cases, so that would make me 'pro-life' but I know that the decision is currently down to the mother, not down to politicans.
phrantic
Two questions:

1) Are you better off than you were six years ago?

Considering we had peace & prosperity (22 million new jobs, record surpluses, North Korea and Iraq were contained, etc.), the answer is NO for most Americans.

2) To quote Newt, "Has America had enough?"

You bet!

Time for a change!

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SJI
QUOTE(Mac McFadden @ Jul 11 2006, 05:18 PM) *

Unreasonable

The Fourth Amendment defines "unreasonable".
Search and seizure without a warrant is "unreasonable".

It also defines the criteria for issuing such a warrant:
Probable cause

So a search without a warrant issued for probable cause is an unreasonable search.

So, if the government wants to look at my medical records, library records, financial and bank records, internet access records, emails, or listen to my phone calls or look at my telephone records all they have to do is get a warrant based on probable cause. Otherwise their actions are UNREASONABLE
That's the fact, Jack.
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Mac
BIG, FAT, MOTHER-EFFING BAM!
cornopean
QUOTE(lenzy1000 @ Jul 11 2006, 12:28 PM) *

This administration couldn't find their butt with both hands.

do you have a URL for this assertion?
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corn
cornopean
QUOTE(phrantic @ Jul 11 2006, 12:01 PM) *

Flip-Flop? Cut-and-Run? That's what the GOP has to offer, catch phrases and no good ideas.


Conservative ideas:

1. reform tax code-- http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/will033105.asp

2. reform education-- http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell101503.asp

3. reform war on terror-- http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolu...alph_peters.htm

4. limit govt expenditure to 10% of GDP-- http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams122204.asp

5. reform criminal justice IPB Image

6. every person who reads Thomas Sowell's articles is tax exempt.IPB Image


corn
lenzy1000
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 12:37 PM) *

So don't go to the library!

As for government control of the school system, I do want government control I just want most of it to be at the local level not at the federal level.


You would be happy in a communist country wouldn't you. The government could watch every thing you do and keep you safe. That is what you really want, isn't it?
lenzy1000
QUOTE(mrpoparue @ Jul 11 2006, 01:31 PM) *

In a time of war YES
As for your freedoms they are restricted everyday.


Newsflash: Congress refused to grant war powers in the US. The Bush administration asked for it and it was turned down.
Senihele
QUOTE(lenzy1000 @ Jul 12 2006, 02:36 AM) *

You would be happy in a communist country wouldn't you. The government could watch every thing you do and keep you safe. That is what you really want, isn't it?



*sits back to watch the show*

His head will revolve several times over this one. biggrin.gif
karnevil_9
QUOTE(Senihele @ Jul 11 2006, 11:44 PM) *

*sits back to watch the show*

His head will revolve several times over this one. biggrin.gif



I can hardly wait. sprint.gif
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