Senator Biden said on Feb. 2, 1999 in a closed door session , "Let me begin by stating what I believe, not all crimes are impeachable and not all impeachable offenses are crimes. "

He further stated that the public concluded that President Clinton committed an act of adultery. He continued by saying only the constitution can supply the standards to use in deciding whether to remove the president and in my view, this case does not meet the standard for two reasons:

1. There was no proof the president violated federal criminal statutes.

2. The president's actions do not rise to the level required by the Constitution for the removal of a sitting president.

While I cannot fathom the idea of removing Bush to be replaced by our Vice President( ( who would repeat the Richard Nixon removal) with Mr. Cheney pardoning Mr. Bush. (De ja vu) I do believe this sitting president has committed a number of impeachable offenses.

U-m-m-m-m

Definitely impeachment time. For Bush AND Cheney, simultaneously. Let's see if the Republicans in Congress will put nation BEFORE party.

I would have to say that Cheney MUST be stripped of his powers BEFORE action is taken to remove Bush from office. These criminals have each others' back. They CAN'T be left in positions where they can pardon ANYONE.

Here's my take on this issue. If the dems gain control of the house and senate next year, then sure, I can see impeaching the bastard. And I would love to see that happen, because the chimp deserves it. He is, and will be always considered the worst Presdent of this great nation. BUT, impeaching him would shut down congress, would it not? How would the country view this come election time in 08? Would it not be better to focus on the election instead? After all, if the idiot does get impeached, and we lose the election in 08, what good came of it?

Well, it worked for the R's to paint Al Gore with the sleaze factor. I see an impeachment IF the D's win in '06. Not enough seats will change to get 2/3 in the Senate for conviction. At least the D's have better reasons than the R's did to go through the exercise.

The point above on getting both is important, in that if Cheney is left out of it until he is impeached in turn (which then goes to the Speaker, now Hastert), there will be serious hades to pay.

This assumes a D victory in '06. The R's know every nightstick, voting machine malfunction, and dirty trick will be needed to steal the next election, and will do everything to stop a D congress. Why? Because the investigations that have not (but should have) been happening will then commence. And it will be ugly for the R's if it does.

There is nothing that is preventing congressional Dems from drafting articles of impeachment now; it is completely in their control should they choose to do it. Judging from what's talked about in the liberal blogosphere there should be plenty of evidence on which to base such a motion. Even if the articles never make it to the Senate for a vote, the MSM will still be covering it.

I also would like to see a congressional hearing take place in regards to Able Danger. Enough witnesses, some with a lot to lose, have come forward and their stories are consistent. Let's get these people under oath and on the record. It's not just the DSM for which the American people deserve answers.

Chip

Apparently AD is on the go (Fox reported this, don't have the link). But the DSMs are too critical to blow off, and the R congress has been doing exactly that for a long time. As is Plame's outing, and several other things. The only reason the R's are doing AD is so they can try to blame Clinton for 9/11.

As much as I hate to see Bush in office, impeachment would be TOO MUCH!!

I can't image taking Bush out of office and let the REAL war-monger, Cheney, have access to the 'nuclear' football.

Given a chance, Cheney would NUKE 1st & ask ?'s later

The impeachment of Bush would be a waste of time. It would take up too much of Congress' time. However, the papers should be drawn up anyway, just to make a point.

The Dems need to take back Congress in '06, and then drive the Bush Administration, and its' toadies that are left on the Hill, into the ground. Shove the entire radical right in DC right off the road. There is much work that needs to be done in running our nation day-to-day. The impeachment of Bush would be too much of a distraction.

Gain control of the Congress, and then neuter the radical right. That's the way to go.

Have you guys heard that Pat Buchanan is suggesting that Republicans introduce a bill of impeachment against Bush?

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Buchanan_sug...h_imp_0829.html

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-...RTICLE_ID=46062

I would love to see this happen. Bluecollarman, you state that this would tie up the congress? I say, good!!! They've done enough damage already.






(BTW, I don't know much about Raw Story, but the WorldNetDaily writer is quite obviously a righty, so this isn't just some SCLM (So-Called-Liberal-Media) story.)

You will not see an impeachment of Bush or his cartel and I would bet the ranch you would ever see a full scale investigation even if the Dems take back both sides. Why do I say this:

1.) To impeach Bush and make it work you would have to go all the way down to Condi and Rummy and maybe even further.

2.) To start an investigation into Republican wrongdoings would implicate a lot of Democrats who are also complicent in all these actions as the voting records will show.

3.) With both sides bought and paid for by corporate America you can bet that both sides will do all they can to make sure that none of their wrongdoings ever come to the light of day.

Which is why Biden said what he said. Because to say otherwise would not only implicate Bushco,it would also implicate Democrats as well.

Mutt

Personally, I don't know the validity of the article where Buchanan suggests Bush's impeachment; however, I would like to ask Mr. Buchanan is he flip-flopping as The Republicans so fiercely accused John Kerry?

Attempting to explain his poor judgment in voting for Bush - Buchanan who now has egg on his face, blamed John Kerry's reckless and irresponsible behavior as his reasoning. Comparatively speaking , I would say those qualities best described Bush than John Kerry.

Will one of his Republicans cronies introduce a bill of impeachment? Only after there is a cry of "The sky is falling"because they are all in bed together.

Other than to expose hypocrisy of the Republicans, I think "flip-flopping" is TOTALLY a non-issue. Since when has changing one's mind a bad thing. If the reasoning makes sense and/or the situation changes, it is perfectly acceptable. One should constantly re-evaluate and reassess their opinions.

I couldn't agree with you more, but the the Republicans used the term "flip Flop" as their national anthem against Senator Kerry and it labeled him. So when used against them it is a non-issue, but against others it is inexcusable?

Gloria

you know the last 5 days the news folks have really seen the truth and are blown away the raw truth and we all see it again the truth .again we are thrown under the bus by the goverment the folks who suck us dry in taxes in our sons fathers there sons women childeren and the lack of respect of duty to us they have let the world know we the people mean nothing NOTHING!!!!!!! to our leaders how sad in this world we support the saying for the people by the people????? i need to know what people it sure isnt us is it??????? maybe if your rich greedy WHITE and greedy afriend of the george of the jungle !!!! his jungle. now the news folks are all up some of them saying everthing is beautful the world is helping so what .so manypeople still dying still starving STILL WAITING????? for who??? the world knows we are open to anything and everything so who will stand up for us????????i dont have any answers prayersof us for all we are going to need them later my brothers and sisters as we are all in this together.

dear liberal brothers and sisters, please don't waste precious time with impeaching rumors towards bush. and then we will have cheney? not good. spend political energy to defeat john roberts. that will have a long term consequences that may last for 30 years. bush's reign will be over by then.

just makes you wonder who bush will pardon if he makes it to the end of his term?

Seattlesara,

You say the word liberal as if is it a four letter word. However, if you mean tolerance to others views, as well as, open-mindeness to ideas that challenge traditions, established institutions, etc.. In that case, I am a bonafide liberal and proud of it.

In comparison with a conservative - one who is intolerant to others views (George Bush's administration), close-mindeness (George Bush's administration), this administration is clearly "out of the box" because it is challenging traditions, established institutions- such as social security- A system which has been a part of American life for the past 60 years allowing older Americans to have a base of economic security in today's society ( Mind you, I did not say the only method)

This administration is definitely a threat to the national security. Recent events have shown as to how insecure we are as a people. It is disgraceful!!!

United States Code
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 118 - WAR CRIMES

U.S. Code as of: 01/06/03
Section 2441. War crimes

{a} Offense. - Whoever, whether inside or outside the United States, commits a war crime, in any of the circumstances described in subsection {B}, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, or both, and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the penalty of death.

{B} Circumstances. - The circumstances referred to in subsection (a) are that the person committing such war crime or the victim of such war crime is a member of the Armed Forces of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 101 of the Immigration and Nationality Act).

© Definition. - As used in this section the term ''war crime'' means any conduct -


(1) defined as a grave breach in any of the international conventions signed at Geneva 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the United States is a party;

(2) prohibited by Article 23, 25, 27, or 28 of the Annex to the Hague Convention IV, Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land, signed 18 October 1907;

(3) which constitutes a violation of common Article 3 of the international conventions signed at Geneva, 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the United States is a party and which deals with non-international armed conflict; or

(4) of a person who, in relation to an armed conflict and contrary to the provisions of the Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Mines, Booby-Traps and Other Devices as amended at Geneva on 3 May 1996 (Protocol II as amended on 3 May 1996), when the United States is a party to such Protocol, willfully kills or causes serious injury to civilians.
[Note: I changed () to {} to keep the smiley faces out]

But you have to have the votes in Congress FIRST.
Regain the majority now, impeach later (both "The Deserter" AND "The Draft Dodger")
In the interim, send all the supporting documents you can obtain under FOIA to the World Court for use against them after they are out of office.

Mac

[quote=Mac McFadden,Nov 20 2005, 06:52 PM]
United States Code
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 118 - WAR CRIMES



Mac:

Thanks for your response. The country is going through a very dangerous chain of events right now. After reading your response regarding the criminal procedures , my interpretation is that while there should be impeachment procedures introduced against this president; it is very unlikely due to the Republicans having control over the house and Senate. But, I do like the idea of regaining Congress and then have a tribunal set up to go after them once they are out of office; However, by that time the country will be in shambles.

"Of course, there will be no impeachment with a Republican Congress. This must not dissuade us from demanding satisfaction. Let the House be brought to order. Gavel the members to attention, and let the evidence be brought forth. Let there be justice for the living and the dead. Let this man Bush be impeached and cleansed from office for the lies he has told. These are not innocent lies. The dead remember. "

An excerpt from the book "We used to Impeach Liars" - William Pitts

I have not always been a good person.
I have done things in my life that may condemn me to hell.
That thought is bearable because I know if I DO go to hell I will see George W. Bush there.
And he won't have that fucking smirk on his face.
A special place in hell has been set aside for Bush, Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowicz.

Mac

Yes this is clearly the most dangerous of times. Now and the conviening of the next Congress. We need to be nice to George right now... that is if we want humankind to continue for a little while longer..

IMPEACHMENT SURVEY
major news organization has had this survey up for some time
172,000 approx have voted
the outlook is as you'll see.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904#survey

1 fact is that the bush supporters are either unaware of this poll.
are voting their conscience without recourse
call it a liberal scam
too illiterate to read
will wait till the poll closes, then complain

1 of those issues is keeping the truth from being changed.

[quote=Progressive_pirate,Dec 29 2005, 12:45 PM]
IMPEACHMENT SURVEY
major news organization has had this survey up for some time
172,000 approx have voted
the outlook is as you'll see.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904#survey

Thanks Pirate for that link: Have the news organization responded? If there has been such a poll, the results must not be positive for him; therefore, it is suppressed.

ggggcar

It isn't going to happen.
Carl Rove just said"Save Bush or else" the 'or else' is anyone in congress against saving him.The nay sayers names go on CR's BLACKLIST. Result.... end of there career.
On the other hand,
if your for saving him, they will do what ever it takes to get you another term in November.

it is clearly time to impeach. I know it probabaly won't happen but if the dems get some movement going and get some press, at least it will show that they are not wimpy! Even if it is just symbolic, can our elected officials please do something that the folks who elected them want!

IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS SHOULD BE STARTED NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is no way that the Republican leadership is going to let anything about impeachment get to the floor. At this point it is a waste of time.

John Conyers and Dennis Kusinich(sp?) have drawn up articles of impeachment but they don't get anywhere with them.

The only hope for this nation, seems to be a change in the party that controls congress.