What say you all?

I think most of them should be called neo - pawns because that is what they are - they can't even explain their position

What is the signifcance of "neander"?

how about neo-troll

Actually, I prefer RadCon. A NeoCon is technically a democrat that converted to a conservative during the 1970ish era.

RadCon is a Radical Conservative.

Seeing as I'm only in my early thirties, and this is what the resident troll keeps saying, can I have a history lesson?

I was in single digit years when the first shuttle blasted off, and I thought the star wars idea was the best idea I'd ever heard of (I have since reversed course). I just want you to know the age group I'm coming from.

I consider myself pretty much up to date on current affairs and politics, but through graduate school I had little time for political history, though it certainly interests me. (So I have a number of gaps to fill - don't bother parsnips, I won't read your blasphemy).

I guess I'd really like a very good argument for his crap about the JFK democrats and such (I am getting quite sick of hearing about it).

Personally, if you were to go by the republican ledger, I am probably a republican. But, in my politically active lifetime, they have never delivered on their goals, and they have only done their own statements injustice through dishonesty and an endless ream of scare tactics, in order to further a goal of world hegemony.

(Never mind GW-or my awakening of social justice)...

I look forward to an intelligent response.

Thanks...

It's just regurgitating Zell's stupid spiel.

As in neanderthal.

Well, Plunderer, I don't know if I'm much of a history Prof, but I know a few things.

Ever since Kennedy got whacked, the far right has used any means necessary to try and convince Joe Voter that they are "morally superior to the damned left wing commie radicals". They totally got their panties in a bunch when that scum-bag deluxe, Richard Nixon, along with his traitorous gang of thugs, got busted on the Watergate thing. As a matter of fact, Rep. Henry Hyde (r-IL) recently came out and said that everything the radical wing of the Republican Party does in terms of attacking "The Left", is out of revenge for what they consider an "attack" on Nixon. The way they see it, Nixon and the rest were "victims" of a political "smear". I guess the Justice Department didn't see it that way, as many of them did jail time.
Must have been one o' them there activist judges.

After all that, they didn't have shit for a voter base, so they had an idea. They went out and formed an un-holy alliance with all of the two-bit televangelists. The "moral majority" was formed, and a campaign to suck in all the good and decent religious folks that they could was begun. It's a shame how they manipulated these people. Now they had a new base. Also, with unemployment at a high rate, all they had to do was promise "more jobs" inorder to attract voters. Reagan got into office, and you probably know the rest.

You know, these guys now are pretty hard core. They have this moronic attitude that there are "real Americans", and those that aren't "real Americans". This, I believe, is going to destroy this Nation quicker than any foreign enemy ever could.

I have never heard this. Do you have a reference or something?


As for NeoCon, I don't know precisely what it means either. I am also in my mid thirties. I utterly loathed politics for most of my life (and still do to an extent). I really started getting interested on 9/12/01 when I heard the reactions of many people saying that they thought all the Muslims in the US should be rounded up and put into camps. I was utterly disgusted - the slippery slope was trying to rear its ugly head.

But anyhoo, the first distinction I remember reading was from Robert Reich's book, Reason : Why Liberals Will Win the Battle for America. He gets into it a little but not IN DEPTH. But I HIGHLY recommend that book. Apparently one of the founders of the Neo-Conservative movement is Irving Kristol.

I just started reading David Brock's Blinded by the Right and hope to read God's Politics also before I have to return them to the library. I am a slow reader.

I'll try to find the Hyde comment somewhere, but I'm pretty sure it was in a Chicago newspaper. Also, I'm not sure that his tone was in defense of these actions. I think Hyde is an old school Republican, not a radicalized one. The Neo-Cons are radicals.
Both of the books you cited are EXCELLENT reads.

Here you go. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/042105_ns_hyde.html

Thanks for the responses, everyone.

I've got some reading to do now, I guess.

I used to be in the campaign consulting biz, and its common knowledge in those circles the "pay-back for Nixon" motive is a true factor driving a certain segment of the right. But a lot of them are just naturally rotten bastards with no respect for law or fairplay - bad genetic heritage or something.

Back to the question at hand though. A neocon is a former hawk Democrat from the anti communist Scoop Jackson wing of the party that has crossed over to the dark side and become a Republican. I would say that neocon is a militarist stepping stone phase that some of our present policy makers went through, but that what we are now dealing with is well past neocon.

The technically correct name for the people now running our county is fascists. We would do well to stop fooling ourselves with the euphemisms and start calling the Bush gang what they are: the political-ideological heirs of Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet, and yes, Hitler. As Huey Long once said "If fascism ever comes to America it will come wrapped in the American flag." Sound like a country you know?

Thanks.

I also noticed this" "Accusations hurled at me to intimidate me were misplaced and I regret having to deal with them, but they didn't intimidate me," said Hyde.

Have you ever noticed that most of these guys never actually apologize for the act they commited, they apologize for having to deal with it or how they dealt with it, or for it becoming public, etc.

Personally, I like Neotard (no offense to the mentally retarded) , but NeoConmen is also good, since it keeps the word CON.

Neo = New
Con = Conservative

But I like this one better

Neo = New
Con = Convicts

I myself call em Neo-idiots

I voted for changing it to neander-cons, but I must also publicly apologize to any actual neanderthals out there. You guys have always gotten a bad rap.

Remember:
If you refer to Cheney as a whore, you should apologize to your local prostitutes.
And if you claim that GWB has the collective intelligence of a bed of kelp, don't forget to apologize to the kelp.

Mac

Well said. Only none of those cowards hid behind their religion as these folks do. Someone ought to whack them with their ten commandments, or send em to Iraq for a little hands on trianing in torture. If they had to give, or their children received, what would their opinions then be?

The Dems need a spine, it will be a lesser of evils vote but the the repugs make it so easy.

Intellegent design, where?

I doubt there are any Neanderthals among us. They disappeared, but may have been bred away. DNA may someday tell us. The experts now say they would go almost unnoticed in society today.

The first man called Neanderthal was found in the Neanderthal Valley in Germany. The Neanderthal is always shown hunched over like half-ape. The poor sonofabitch was 70 years old, and crippled with arthritis!

Before farming and single crop diets, 10-30,000 years ago, the average man was over six feet tall and equal to our top athletes. They suffered from unsanitary conditions, injuries, and arthritis from running several miles a day, but cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc., were unknown. It was published more than 20 years ago, but the book, "The Paleolithic Prescription" is a great education. It was written by an anthropologist a paleontologist and two MDs.

Sorry to go off topic with the above. BTW, I think of neo- as more like fake. These guys are more like pretend conquerors.
rdr

There ARE still some around. They can be found at Rep Party meetings.
A few are currently serving in Congress.

Mac

Conservanazis.

Pond scum.

They act like Adolf Hitler's boys. Remember gwbu$h's grandfather was a banker for the Nazis.

http://ratical.com/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html