That is how NAZI work!! send the brown shirts.


Why Americans Know More About The Simpsons Than The Constitution
And why it is a benchmark of how much danger we are in

http://infowars.com/articles/us/first_amen...ut_simpsons.htm

I am sure that this has been true throughout history.

People knew more about the Beaver than the constitution. People knew more about Amos & Andy or the Lone Ranger than national history. It is much easier to name the Simpsons than to say all of the different parts of the 1st Amendment.

Just my observation.

of course, why is this even a story??? Its amazing what people make out of nothing.

Is your post about the teacher in Denver that the student taped? What does that have to do with the link you provided. Sorry, I'm confused. Maybe I don't get it or read it wrong...

However, did you listen to the tape? That teacher should be fired. If he said the same/similar with a different thrust about the last Pres (i.e. Clinton killed people in Ark over cocaine or his wife was a lesbian who killed Foster or he is a Stalinist, etc.) I would have felt the same way.

The teacher is a pathetic idiot. He is there to teach geography not spew his personal political agenda. Plus he sounds like Richard Dreyfus on crack, not a persuasive way to deliver a message.

Somewhat OT, but things may be getting tough for some teachers in Denver now that they're being paid for performance.

Chip

Pathetic idiot? Because he gave information to the students? Tell me oh wise one, what misinformation did he give? Where were the errors in his comments?
And nice that you fail to note this "crack addict" told his students not to take his comments as facts, they were his opinions, told them he would answer all questions and that he knew they'd be great ones, challenged them to do their own research and bring more to the table for debate.

Yeah, totally disgusting that a teacher would challenge kids to do constructive thinking and form opinions of their own.

well said Senihele.
thinking is the thing of the past, blind trust is the way of the future.
all hail the future.

my ? is

what does his opinion have to do w/ teaching geography

I don’t think he should be fired but reprimanded and told to stick to geography facts….

Would it have been okay, 10 or so years ago, that the teacher challenged the kids with constructive thinking about Pres Clintons Meena cocaine murders or the Vince Foseter murder to form their own opinions?

You cannot separate politics and geography in any meaningful way if one is to promote a true understanding of the socio-geo-political world that we live in today and have been in for some time. That the comments may have been over the top or could have been better stated is a different discussion than understanding the integral relationship between geography and the social politics and economics of the world and our country today. I would argue that challenging students to think, research. and defend their ideas is fundamental to learning to be a good citizen and that should be encouraged of all students. Just look at the Dubai ports deal with the "anti-arab racism" card being played....do not try and tell me that the geography of the UAE and its oil, money, and political connections have no interaction amongst each of these components.

Here you go kev:

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I think they have them in your size.

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Plz...It is a sophmore high school geo class! Hell yes they could have been better stated.

Harriet Miers knows things about the Constitution. Michael Moore knows some stuff about the Constitution. Someone once wrote something about a ship called the Constitution. Some people say that they take a daily Constitutional.

What constitutes a good question about the Constitution?

Perhaps what should happen, is that the promoters of The Simpsons should collborate with the National Education Association (NEA) and make an educational cartoon about the Constitution.

Check the CSOs. Geography includes discussing the political and economic status of countries.

Possibly in current events, not in geography.

How?
Praising Bush for his wonderfully clear thinking? *snerk*
Or do you consider sophmores too dumb to perform upper level thinking skills?

The problem with the youth today is that they don't question things from "authority" figures. I would have done a little research and then been ready to ask more questions..... and have some facts to back up my own assertions. I don't agree with everything the teacher said, but if the only thing that a high school student can do to rebut an argument is cry to his daddy..... then we might as well spend all of the money and the social security fund and let this retarded generation stew in their own juices.

Makes me SICK!!!!

Think for your self is what I say... and if you don't have the ability to form a coherent argument.... then drink the kool-aid.

my daughter is in 4th grade.the teacher asked the students "who don't like bush" my daughter and two other students out of 20 or so raised their hand.the teacher told them that they had to go to jail,which was to stand in the corner for a few minutes.i was furious,my wife told me to let it go.who in the hell do these right wing nut jobs think they are?i let it go,if something simular like that happens again i'll try to get her fired.she has no tenure and hates unions,it would serve her right.beside her personal bullsh*t see seems to be a good teacher.

Grave, grave danger

there is a difference here.

1. Age...... some of these kids believe in Santa...... so it makes sense that they would believe in Bush...... don't want to ruin the myth....lol. Seriously though..... age counts.

2. In this case.... there was no debate about the subject....(4th gade....) there was only punishment.

Bluedog..... I would be madder than three muthaf**kers if that happened to my elementary school daughters.

If my kids were in highschool and a teacher challenged them on their beliefs.....no problem. I would tell either one of them to find facts to back their point of view.....

I guess I am just saying that that age coupled with that response is completely uncompareable to the Denver story.

Man, that would PISS ME OFF if someone did that to my kid. I would RAISE HELL.

Whoever this guy is covering for JoeS tonight is blaming liberals for everything. Dont know his name, but he had Horowitz on. ewwwwwww.

....opps....anyhow they were screaming how the liberal professors have created all the problems.....

Yes, I'm sure you think your daughter is also "gifted".

WTF is with you tonight Kev......

The high school is not in Denver - it is in a Denver suburb. I live just a few blocks away from that high school.
I have also heard that a lot of high school students do not even know their geography. Examples - they confuse Mexico with New Mexico, do not know where Iraq, Iran is and do not know the countries in the Middle East.
The teacher is only challenging his students to form their own opinions and not to blindly follow the teachings of their parents.

Lets discriminate against your kid. Kev.

Most HS kids dont even know where Pittsburgh is. They do not even know where Washington DC is....they think its in the state of WA.

Huh?

Huh, that.

Oh, SORRY, it's not Denver...it's a suburb!

Listen to the tape, if you care. Then respond, if you care. The teacher is not challenging his students. He is a frustrated, silly, pathethic, little man wanting to pour his ideologies onto 14 year olds.

If you think this is a grand way of teaching....how about letting a 40 year old loser conservative spew his crap at 24 14 year olds in a world history class across the hall?

i look for the day when people stop attacking the messager!!

Horowitz

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Perhaps, the teacher was trying to point out that in our society people who speak out against Bush are labeled as un-American, unpatriotic, denied access to air travel, investigated by the gestapo, etc. They are never too young to learn that to speak disfavorably of our fearless (or is that brainless) leader leads to unpleasant consequences.

Oh boy...when did the job description of a Geography teacher include "requires students to challenge the teachings of their parents". Or for any high school teacher for that matter.

If a teacher talked about how Homosexuals are perverts or how abortion is murder or how how God had a hand in developing the earth or the holocaust didn't really happen or anything else you don't agree with or find offensive, I'm sure you'd just say the teacher was just getting the kids to think for themselves. Right. Especially, if it was somewhere like hyper-liberal Marin County, cause kids should not "blindly follow the teachings of their parents."

Sorry, but that kind of crap the teacher in Colorado was spewing is uncalled for. As is any other political rantings that might occur.

JC

Yep, that teaching kids to think can lead to really bad things. How could the Republican Party of today survive if such a concept really took hold?

I think it is a mistake to let something this extreme go without voicing your disapproval. This idiot teacher is seen as an authority figure. She is "teaching" them every time she does any exercise in her classroom or school, whether a formal exercise or one off the top of her head, like you describe here. What she taught your daughter and the other banished children that day was 1) don't question authority figures, 2) don't speak your mind, and 3) don't hold original thoughts or opinions: conform or be punished. She also publicly humiliated these children and labelled them "bad" by banishing them to "jail" for holding a different opinion than hers (and the other "good" kids who like Bush). This is terrible and totally unaceptable! At the very least, she should be reported to her principal with a copy to the school district, so it can be on her record. That way when something like this happens again, or other parents complain, perhaps she will suffer some consequence for her bad behavior. We don't need mean-spirited, lousy teachers abusing our kids in their classrooms. There are plenty of good teachers looking for work...

I agree. What that teacher did was repulsive. You should not have let it slide and should have addressed it as soon as you found out, even if it was weeks later.

JC

If I understand your orig post...your child was put in "jail" because she hated Pres Bush. Sorry, I'm not buying this.

If it is true you could have made a quick phone call to the administration and the teacher would have been in deep trouble, very quickly.

Why didn't you?

To explain my response about the "specialness" of your child...well...I've seen this alot lately. Kids are much more special now than in years past...and if they are slighted in any way....watch out, the world has been shaken.

Believe me, the world will do just fine even if little Sweetpea gets his feeling hurt during 4th grade History class.

So if a teacher talks about how Gay Marriage being wrong or a threat to society, with no other adult to challenge, you're ok with that.

If you say yes, then I'll disagree with you completely but salute your being intellectually consistent.

If you say no, then that means only your orthodoxy is worthy of "making people think".

JC

Huh?

Never too young?

Perhaps they were not too young to learn in detail that Pres. Clinton was unfaithful to his wife and put the security of our country in the balance by having oral sex with an emotionaly unstable intern...in detail.

This would have been a great topic for a Sophmore Geo class! Do you think he shared this stuff with his minions then?

Why?

Sorry...this teacher will get canned. As he should be.

That may well be the most ludicrous statement ever. Congratulations!!

Why? Do you not realize that Clinton put himself and our country in a very precarious postition when he got a bj from an intern? Oh, I guess me and the rest of the country is just dumb, dumb, dumb.

Pls....explain how this was not uber dangerous to the U.S. to us dullards.

We will pick our teeth and an toes waiting for your smarty pants reply.

It's part of her little narrow minded world. Kev sees no other sides to any issue.
She has great disdain for those that disagree with her. and evidently feels people's children are fair game as well. Nice considering she's soooo concerned about them while they're in the womb. Too bad that's where the respect ends.

Not challenging them my rear. He DID DIRECTLY tell them to question and form their own opinions. He told them his comments were mostly opinion. If you're going to post, Kev, then at least tell the truth about the situation.

Don't hold your breath.

Ignorance is not pretty. Check the content standards of any geography class in America and you'll see this is fully within the scope of issues the teachers are suppose to address. God forbid these kids learn to research and form their own opinions. What are you so scared of?

Wow
Lotta ASSumptions there, Kev. Typical.