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[ksam27]

I just have a question: Does Operation Chaos reasonably explain Clinton's ability to garner votes, as well as her simultaneous inability to rake in the cash? Hmmm...

[Delta]

No it is not over. When Hillary says it is over, then it is over.
It is her money and her reputation. I cannot believe the wimps that have deserted her.
Sure makes we Democrats look like a bunch of jerks.
We can't even get it straight to get all the states in with their votes.
We have so many that think Obama really looks like the President we can all support.
Guess what? The people thought that Bush sure looked like a President.
So what do we have there?
If there was ever a President that deserved to be impeached it was George Bush.
So what is the first thing that Nancy says?
Impeachment is off the table! What?
So bottom line is the Democrats don't really want the White House.
Yes, I was a Democrat, but now I am an independent. The Democrats proved to me that they could screw up a wet dream.
And I was for Obama, but look at this screwed up mess they have made. Cut each other’s throat and then you have Ed Schultz with his big mouth sending Hillary down the drain EVERY DAY!
He is a great Democrat. Go Ed. You are the biggest know it all I have ever heard on the radio. And the hate you have for the Clintons is beyond reproach.
Sure know what a turncoat looks like now.

[kinggarbear]

I just have a question: Does Operation Chaos reasonably explain Clinton's ability to garner votes, as well as her simultaneous inability to rake in the cash? Hmmm...

While Limbaugh’s “Operation CHAOS” has thrown a monkey wrench into the machine the results are questionable.

The explanation for the effect of “Operation CHAOS” with respect to your question is likely found in reactionary increases in voter registrations since February. Since Hillary’s supporters, by demographics, tend to be older established voters it stands to reason that a “get out the vote” to counter “Operation CHAOS” voters would solicit new voter registrations to favor Obama. Since the “type of people” that donate to Obama tend to also fit the demographics of the newly solicited voters, that answers why Hillary isn’t getting the corresponding money.

The voting aspect of “Operation CHAOS” may have backfired on Limbaugh, but we are bickering amongst ourselves over Obama and Clinton.

[Mac McFadden]

we are bickering amongst ourselves over Obama and Clinton.

You can stop anytime.


Mac

[eyedoc333]

I, for one, am glad that Hillary is continuing her campaign. For Obama to declare some sort of "victory" 1) before anyone has enough delegates to clinch the nomination, 2) before the remaining states have voted, is a slap in the face to Hillary and her supporters. Obama is going to need Clinton supporters if he ends up with the nomination. There is no better way to turn them off than by declaring an early victory before the end of the race. There is no harm in letting the race continue for a few more weeks. These attempts by the pundits to shoo Clinton out or dismiss her campaign are incredibly insulting. What are they afraid of? She might actually win WV and KY by a huge margin, 30-40 points. I think this would illustrate an important point no matter the outcome of the nominating process.

[ObamaRama]

I, for one, am glad that Hillary is continuing her campaign. For Obama to declare some sort of "victory" 1) before anyone has enough delegates to clinch the nomination, 2) before the remaining states have voted, is a slap in the face to Hillary and her supporters. Obama is going to need Clinton supporters if he ends up with the nomination. There is no better way to turn them off than by declaring an early victory before the end of the race. There is no harm in letting the race continue for a few more weeks. These attempts by the pundits to shoo Clinton out or dismiss her campaign are incredibly insulting. What are they afraid of? She might actually win WV and KY by a huge margin, 30-40 points. I think this would illustrate an important point no matter the outcome of the nominating process.

US elections: Obama plans to declare victory
By Alex Spillius in Washington
Last Updated: 2:44AM BST 10/05/2008
Senator Barack Obama plans to push Senator Hillary Clinton out of the race for the Democratic presidential nomination in 10 days' time, his aides have said.

By May 20, when Kentucky and Oregon go the polls, he expects to have achieved a majority of "pledged" delegates, who will help nominate the presidential candidate.

Mrs Clinton, who is battling on despite losing heavily in North Carolina and winning only narrowly in Indiana on Tuesday, needs a hefty majority of the 795 "super-delegates" – party officials not tied by primaries – to overturn the popular will in order to win.

Mr Obama, who is already developing his campaign against the Republican nominee, Senator John McCain, gave every indication that May 20 would prove a red letter day after nearly 16 months of campaigning.

"I think we [could] make a pretty strong claim that we have got the most runs and it's the ninth inning and we have won," he told NBC television, referring to the final phase of a baseball game.

"But, you know, I think it is also important for us to, if we win, do so in a way that brings the party together."

Privately Mr Obama's campaign staff insisted that some kind of declaration will be made on May 20, when 103 delegates are up for grabs.

By then, they fully expect him to have 1,627 pledged delegates – 51 per cent of those available.

The support of 398 super-delegates – just over than half the total – would take him over the official finishing line of 2,025.

Aware of the near impossibility of the former first lady winning, super-delegates are now moving into Mr Obama's camp at a growing rate.

Six more super-delegates announced that they were supporting Mr Obama, while ABC News said that from its research among super-delegates who had not declared publicly, the Illinois senator now led the grouping for the first time.

David Plouffe, the campaign manager, said in a letter to super-delegates that nominees had always won a majority of pledged delegates. He said that was "the most legitimate metric for determining how this race has unfolded".

Barring some kind of Obama meltdown, the picture is bleak for Mrs Clinton.

Her campaign is clinging to the hope of seating delegates from Florida and Michigan, where she won uncontested primaries handsomely. Though it insists the tide could then turn in her favour, even the inclusion of delegates from both states would still not put Mrs Clinton ahead.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics...re-victory.html

Wouldn't be out of line at all for Obama to declare himself the victor after coming out of the of the primary/caucus phase of the process with a significant lead in pledged delegates. Even in the unlikely event of Clinton taking West Virginia or Kentucky by wide margins, it is still way too little, way too late.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/20...vote_count.html

Clinton is just delaying the inevitable now. More and more SDs will be coming out for Obama, as we have seen in the past few days. He clearly has the advantage going into Denver.

[cqsallie]

I, for one, am glad that Hillary is continuing her campaign. For Obama to declare some sort of "victory" 1) before anyone has enough delegates to clinch the nomination, 2) before the remaining states have voted, is a slap in the face to Hillary and her supporters. Obama is going to need Clinton supporters if he ends up with the nomination. There is no better way to turn them off than by declaring an early victory before the end of the race. There is no harm in letting the race continue for a few more weeks. These attempts by the pundits to shoo Clinton out or dismiss her campaign are incredibly insulting. What are they afraid of? She might actually win WV and KY by a huge margin, 30-40 points. I think this would illustrate an important point no matter the outcome of the nominating process.

Try posting the same, only substituting Clinton for Obama. And, btw: Clinton needs to win each of the next three primaries by close to 70%. A "huge" margin of 30-40%, which would seem large under other circumstances, won't garner her enough delegates.
The Clinton campaign is either under-funded, or the funds are being spent unwisely. That's a serious consideration. As a woman of modest means, I've been contributing $25 a month to the Obama campaign since John Edwards dropped out of the race. I know people who contribute as little as $10 a month, but we are a steady source of funding. Either Obama knows how to stretch a buck, or he has millions of little people like me in his corner. That's a serious consideration.
There will be a huge hue and cry if the Clinton delegates from Michigan are allowed a voice at the convention. The only way that this could be allowed is if the 40-or-more % who voted uncommitted are awarded Obama, along with the votes for all candidates on the ballot other than Clinton. And how can we accurately predict who these voters wanted, other than the fact that they didn't want Clinton?
The Florida delegation is a true debacle! Several million elligible voters didn't vote in the primary because they were told that their votes wouldn't count. Several of these non-voters are either family members or friends of mine. They are furious at the thought that someone they would not have voted for could win their state's delegates by default.
There is so, so very much at stake. I don't think that we can afford to cling to personal loyalties. Yes, I am a supporter of Barak Obama, but had Clinton done all the right things from the start of this campaign, she may have eventually won me over. Instead, she has done everything she could to make me cringe and want to distance myself.
I will, however, vote for Clinton should she (by hook & crook) take the nomination. I won't like her any better and I won't trust her as far as I can throw her, but better Clinton than McCain....
Sallie

[justme01]

Bill and Hilary need to get over the fact that she lost. They need to get over the fact that they are no longer a force to deal with. Yes, he was a good President, I firmly believe that on his last day in office, Bill Clinton was a better President that the Shrub could ever hope to be.

But it is a sad fact of life for the Clinton's that time has moved passed them. If Hilary is helping Senator Obama (and from I can see from Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania she is) then she doing what the party expects of her. Bill is still steamed about losing. All he is doing is hurting the Party right now.

[ShroomDuke]

I said it last night on CNN....I told Larry King it is over.
The Clintons need to step aside...Do you agree ?

I've always been a big Clinton supporter but after years of research (I've been ill and unemployed) the more I find out the less I like what I find. I will give the Clintons the "Benefit of the doubt" and I believe for the most part they operated "in good faith" but they've made some very unfortunate Mistakes that has cost us ALL dearly. Trying to triangulate and bargain with the Rabid Republicans has cost America it's Democracy, Dignity, Wealth, and undermined it's foundation of Justice, Morality, and Honor. You can not bargain with Rabid Republicans!

I do not feel the Clintons have acted with Malice, in fact I believe they have acted with all good intentions but they were led astray by the treachery of others and NOW they are part of the culture of Privileged Washington Elite and sitting upon such withering heights they are unable to see or hear those they fought so hard to serve! Regardless of who they were we must ask Who are they now!

Who are WE and who do we want to be?

[leftofcenter_44]

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